Senior RMT official suspended for saying he’d throw a party if Boris Johnson died

Here is a link about austerity measures implemented across the Eu.

It wasn't just the UK

www.europeaninstitute.org/index.php/112-european-affairs/special-g-20-issue-on-financial-reform/1180-austerity-measures-in-the-eu

The reason other countries have better health services than we do is due to the fact they pay for it quite differently

Our NHS is going to find it nigh on impossible to cope. No matter how much money is thrown at it. The last Labour government appreciated that as well

We have changed a great deal since 1948

I would love to see us now adopt a different way of funding. We should look to Europe for ideas.

Maybe this pandemic will see change

But I am not optimistic

I wasn't trying to deflect or excuse anything trisher; where the issue of savage NHS funding cuts are concerned, you're preaching to the choir where I'm concerned. I'm just trying to illustrate that we, along with a many other countries were caught unawares of the magnitude that this virus would be and the amount of equipment and resources that would be needed to cope with it. Just trying to show some global perspective.

1000 people a day dying, we are on a bigger trajectory than Italy. Clinicians dying because of lack of protection. A couple of weeks ago we were reporting Italy as if it was the worst case possible.

Think about it.

No one seems to understand that the government were warned in 2017 and were aware then of the shortcomings in the NHS. They did nothing

No one knew this pandemic would happen.

Oopsminty thanks for posting that link. I read all of it and found it interesting the UK's actions were amongst the most draconian and whereas other countries targeted the rich and increased taxes for them, we didn't. Portugal is an interesting country to look at both for its economic recovery and for its dealing with the Covid crisis. www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Portugal+and+covid+19&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
It has of course a left wing government.

Anniebach,
www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates_the_next_outbreak_we_re_not_ready?language=dz

Really interesting, hope the link works

Thanks for your sensible posts Chewbacca and of course all
Countries have had problems with coping with this virus in many similar ways.
It’s just another way of government bashing for some, and boringly predictable.

Just picked the bits you like, Trisher?

Austerity caused huge problems across the EU

I'm sure you must have read about the riots? Record rates of unemployment? Banners claiming that Austerity Kills? Millions of people engaging in protest?

Here's a refresher

www.theguardian.com/business/2012/nov/14/europe-unite-austerity-protests

A disturbed individual without a doubt.Funny Farm next stop.

No one seems to understand that the government were warned in 2017 and were aware then of the shortcomings in the NHS. They did nothing

This cannot be repeated too often, Wwmk2. They did nothing. They knew that a pandemic would be a disaster and the did nothing.

As for 'couldn''t afford it'; read the thread on 'Billions of pounds'. They could afford it, they could always afford it. Austerity was completely unnecessary. Austerity broke the economy, ran down all our public services, brought more people into poverty. Austerity was ideological. Tories wanted to destroy public services so that they could claim they needed to be privatised.

Just other countries are doing badly are absolutely no justification for our mess. Some other countries are doing well - how about looking at them?

Could you give me a link to the 1,000 specifically named individuals, or even specific groups of people that Boris specifically condemned to death?

Almost a comment to ignore, MOnica.

The UK government KNEW who the most vulnerable people would be. The government deliberately chose a policy that they KNEW would kill them. Only public outrage prevented them from carrying on with it overtly. As head of the government making that decision Johnson carries full responsibility.

The doctors are pleading. They are afraid. My niece is still a student but has been asked to work (free) she is in one of the London hospitals, she says it is desperate.

Oopsminty I looked at the best and worse efforts. Portugal being the best, ours being the worst. The interesting thing is what was the best resulted in the best outcomes. Strange isn't it? And it seems still is producing the best results. No comments on that?

maizie That is the answer I expected, still at least you didn't ignore it completely for once.

Lucca

'But you seem to imply still that we must all cease any negative comments about the conservative party'
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NO I DO NOT.

gillybob Sat 11-Apr-20 10:07:19

'I’m so sorry you seem to be taking the flack for the link that I posted POGS . How on earth anyone could defend this disgusting man (and plenty more like him it would seem) or try to dumb down his words by attacking government policy is beyond me.'
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Thank you very much.

As we know we have at times different political views but I also know we conduct our disagreements with respect.

The point was I was being attacked by those who took my comment to be personal against them because they obviously had not read your link or they would have understood to what I was referring.

The irony transpires as we see on this thread they probably took it personally because it touched a nerve, irony or what.

trisher

I see you are off again on the Tories are vermin again.

You are another gift that keeps on giving.

beverly10 could you be a little more circumspect with your wording please. I find funny farm somewhat inappropriate

She is indeed, POGS

Ilovecheese Sat 11-Apr-20 10:46:44
Lucca expressed the way that I feel by saying "POGS. I honestly don’t think anyone here disagrees that mr hedley has expressed appalling views.
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Really, have you read this thread?

I do not care if you and others discredit, speak about the Conservative Government in a either a generous or hate filled manner. I don't usually join in with threads concerning the Conservative Party, take a look!

The fact is my comment about Hedley ' hit a nerve' with some and they took my post to be offensive because they decided to assume I must be talking about them.

I have been personally attacked, told to report my post, and to be honest have had some sickening comments made against me personally but that's GN for you.

Gillybob

I apologise profusely for so making so many posts in answer to those who have mentioned my name.

This thread is worthy of getting back on track re Steve Hedley comment, please accept my apology.

How does suspending him help? A period of suspension until the fuss dies down, possibly some kind of quiet hole in the corner disciplinary process and he will be discretely reinstated.

I think he's been suspended pending a disciplinary enquiry M0nica, although whether that will result in termination of his contract remains to be seen. There doesn't seem to be much optimism that it will though and, like others, there's the anticipation that it will just get swept under the carpet.

Considering what has constituted as ' Hate Speech ' I think there is a case for police engagement.

M0nica, in regard to your post @16:20 today, under legislation any employed person having disciplinary allegations laid against them has to be suspended on full pay while the disciplinary procedure is carried out.

As I stated in my earlier posting that will include a disciplinary investigation, probably a full disciplinary hearing and also possibly an appeal if any penalty is hand down.

In regard to a charge of bringing the RMT into disrepute that may be a difficult allegation to "make stick" especially if the whole matter ends up in an industrial court ( industrial tribunal)

The many of us on this thread will be hoping that Mr Headley loses his job but I would not care to bet on the matter.