Senior RMT official suspended for saying he’d throw a party if Boris Johnson died

trisher

'I have used Nye Bevan's remarks before and been castigated for it'
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You certainly have at least you are consistent.

trisher.

'POGS he didn't advocate killing Johnson, he didn't say he wished he were dead. He simply said he would party if he was. So no crime of any nature.'
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' Simply said ' hmmm.

This is part of what constitutes a Hate Crime:-

'It doesn’t always include physical violence. Someone using offensive language towards you or harassing you because of who you are, or who they think you are, is also a crime. The same goes for someone posting abusive or offensive messages about you online.'

He also said

“I hope the whole cabinet and higher echelons of the Tory party have been touching various bits of him.”

So I assume there's nothing wrong with that either, trisher?

I'd say it could be classed as a hate incident

RMT are being inundated with complaints from its members and the public

" I don't want to offend you but if Bojo pops his clogs I'm throwing a party.'

"I hope the whole cabinet of Tory b*st*rds get it too.'

" I hope the whole cabinet and higher echelons of the Tory party have been touching various bits of him.

'I do however have genuine concern for all his women and children.'
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Seems like a Hate Crime to me.

I was dismayed to find that a cousin of late DH had shared a post from someone else who shared similar sentiments. Cannot bring myself to say anything to her.

There can only be two views on what the man said, either
disgust or agreement

Very true Anniebach.

Unfortunately it seems that in any Socialist Organisation, Labour Party, Unions, Russia, China, it is always the nasty and narcissistic people who rise to the top. It must be that in fighting to be top dog, they either lose their humanity on the way or never had it in the first place. This man has brought his Union into disrepute, it must affect the way he can negotiate for his members, he has lost all respect so should be dismissed as he cannot fulfil his roll.

I think they become arrogant PGAgirl and think they know better than those they represent, and which they think gives them the right to talk in this way.That’s what happens with narrow thinking ( tunnel vision) and putting ideology on a pedestal.Of course......they could also just be awful crass people.

It is obsessive and a type of 'tunnel vision'.

Whenever trisha is on one of her justification posts I remember her assertion and defence of protestors that if Extinction Rebellion supporters hadn't frequented McDonalds while others of their band blockaded a Burger King during their London protests they'd have gone hungry and thirsty. The fact that you can't go 20 yards in that part of London without tripping over a food outlet was apparently of no importance.
What this man said is simply unjustifiable on any level.

PGAgirl at 22.46 on 11.04.20
"in any socialist organisation, Labour Party, Unions , Russia,China it is always the nasty narcissistic people who rise to the top"

I think you'll find PGAgirl, that narcissistic people rise to the top in many organisations and political parties. I'll just mention Mr Trump and suggest you read the research on CEO's etc with narcissistic traits. It doesn't only happen on the left you know.

Some sections of the left have always been viciously unkind.
Which is weird because they’re supposed to be the more compassionate than ‘the right’

So, chief executives on millions of pounds per year knowing that persons they employ are on zero hours contractss or Gig Economy terms of working is compassion at his height, is it

I believe there are some double standards going on in this thread.

I do understand the point; many chief executives of huge companies etc don't even pretend to be compassionate or caring, just how wealthy they can become themselves.
There are, of course many exceptions and with such wealth some pursue philanthropy. Think Bill Gates.

However, I understand that Kandinsky sees the distinction, that those on the left such as this RMT leader try to claim they are caring and compassionate, try to claim the moral high ground but fail abysmally.

Several forum members have stated they feel that Headlays outrageous statement may constitute a hate crime.

However, that may not be the situation, as what constitutes a hate crime is laid out below by the Crown Prosecution Service.

Section taken from the above begins here:-
In England and Wales the monitored strands of hate crime are:-
racially and religiously aggravated;
homophobic, biphobic and transphobic; and
disability hate crime.
racially and religiously aggravated;
homophobic, biphobic and transphobic; and
disability hate crime.

These strands are covered by legislation (sections 28-32 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 and sections 145 and 146 of the Criminal Justice Act 2003) which allows prosecutors to apply for an uplift in sentence for those convicted of a hate crime.

The police and the CPS have agreed the following definition for identifying and flagging hate crimes:

Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on a person's disability or perceived disability; race or perceived race; or religion or perceived religion; or sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation or transgender identity or perceived transgender identity."

Full link to the above can be found here.
www.cps.gov.uk/hate-crime

Apologies for the format errors in my above post, I am not sure what happened there

^There can only be two views on what the man said, either
disgust or agreement^
Actually there can be a third point of view that I don't particularly care about what was said. That I think there are far more important things to worry about and to protest about.
But for the right wing on GN it must be a time when focussing on this matter makes them feel better. Otherwise they might have to acknowledge their own part in the gradual destruction of the body we are now all applauding. The NHS.

Its NOT a hate crime ,its an opinion .When Maggie Thatcher died there were parties in Scotland.Wrong I know but that woman destroyed lives and they samg the Witch is dead and were hopeful that another of the same kind wouldn't rise in her place.
Opinions are just that .The man wasn't wishing him dead .Its just words.Life is never black and white Annie usually by thetime we reach this age we understand that .Me? I cant stand the man and I detest the way the Sun seemed to imply he was the second coming in Fridays edition.If you see him as a new messiah thats YOUR opinion but the 10000 families of people who are now dead because of his sheer incompetence will think differently .
The herd immunity is still being carried out by stealth ,have you seen the demopgraphic?

Todays isn't online ,this is from eatlier in the week

AGE0-19 5
AGE 20-39 53
AGE40-49 519
AGE 60 -79 2866
AGE 80+ 3805
THESE are the English figures and ONLY count those who died in Hospital NOT those who died in the community or care homes.The TRUE figure will be much higher.
I keep a close watch on the areas where my English family live and I am very worried for them ,especially my 80= aunt and in-law just outside London

It’s not about right wing or left wing though trisher it’s about a man in his powerful position openly wishing the death of another human being, just because he disagrees with his politics . I can’t see how anyone can defend this.

The outrage surrounding Hedley's comment is nothing to do with politics.

It's about human decency. And a personal moral code where there are some depths that most decent people wouldn't plummet to. The self justification and whataboutery for singing nursery rhymes at the death of an old lady, whoever she was, says much about you. The fact that you're still seeking reasons and get out clauses for why celebrating the death, of someone who is personally unknown to you, is acceptable and justified confirms that you know is morally wrong. You just won't admit it.

TOP comment MawB.

paddyanne did you miss the bit where he wished the whole cabinet to have touched Boris and catch the virus? Given that, as you have stated, it has been fatal in 10,000 cases that is wishing people potentially dead. I don't like the way this pandemic has been handled, much too slow a response, but to wish the virus on anyone is just outside normal morality and decency.

Chewbacca I am not seeking any reasons nor do I consider it morally wrong for someone to celebrate the death of someone they consider has wronged them. In fact I think it is human nature. There have been many posts about what people think should be done to others they feel have committed a crime, and celebrating their death is mild in comparison. So please don't preach morality at me.
I think it is morally wrong to undercut and undermine a service that many of us have always known was something to be proud of and then stand on the doorstep and applaud when you realise how much they are needed. Because the least you can do when you have got something wrong (and let's face it the Tories have consistently got it wrong with the NHS) is to acknowledge your mistake. I have yet to see a single Tory MP apologise for cheering when the public service wage increase was voted down. Somehow they seem to think that clapping makes up for everything. Now that is morally wrong!

Everything you have said about the Tory cuts, the impact on the NHS and its consequences on all of those who have suffered as a result, I 100% agree with and support you on trisher. They should be held to account and the damage that they've caused should be rectified immediately. We agree on that. What I cannot agree with is your lack of ability to recognise that decent people, with a strong moral compass, would not celebrate, nor wish death, on another person. Decent, morally strong people are able to recognise that whilst they detest and deplore their actions, that person is someone's son, wife, husband, daughter, loved one. They are a human being and they deserve to be treated with the same respect that you expect to be treated. I don't like your way of thinking trisher; I don't like the way you've sought to wriggle out of ownership of some pretty vile comments on this subject. But I would never wish you harm or ill will because I can separate your comments and virtual actions from the person that I suppose you to be irl. And the very fact that you need this pointing out to you confirms that you do need to be reminded of morals and what purpose they serve.