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Whitewavemark2 Mon 25-May-20 17:31:13

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GNHQ edit: Following on from previous thread linked to here: Will he resign?

Elegran Thu 28-May-20 11:53:59

Choose your battles WW - and the timing of them.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 28-May-20 12:00:46

elegran yes I so agree?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 28-May-20 12:05:24

This

Jo Maugham QC
@JolyonMaugham
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13m
I am yet to read a single serious lawyer - aside from
@SuellaBraverman
- argue that ON HIS OWN ACCOUNT Cummings' trip to Barnard Castle was not a criminal offence.

MayBee70 Thu 28-May-20 12:25:31

Given that Cummings allegedly wanted to use herd immunity to combat the virus and his actions have resulted in people ignoring lockdown rules which will result in the virus spreading does any else wonder what his ulterior motives are. Why has he put forward a story that has incriminated him even more? Is it to actually bring down the PM who was used to win the election because of his charm and charisma? So that someone else could then replace him. Even if Cummings goes he will still be pulling the strings because he has Gove under his spell also. Is the whole Cummingsgate saga a way of drawing attention away from the appalling death rate in this country? If so, Starmer is wise to not get drawn into it and he is correct in that the important thing to do at this moment is to fight the pandemic. As for people that seem desperate to find fault with Starmer, maybe some supporters feel that if we’d had a different Labour Party leader for the past few years a lot of the bad things that have happened to this country recently wouldn’t have happened. But I’m digressing. I do think that there’s more to Cummingsgate than meets the eye, though.

trisher Thu 28-May-20 12:43:54

Much amusement on facebook because Cummings middle name is Cedd. Cedd is a Northumbrian saint who travelled back to the North with 30 monks. He had contracted the plague and died. All of the monks died of plague as well. History repeating itself? Still plague spreading!

endre123 Thu 28-May-20 12:52:17

I'm disgusted at some of these comments.
My mother aged 98 died in a Care Home. The family couldnt be with her, her funeral was a bizzarre online event which was traumatising as many hundreds would have attended in normal times. The family is all over the country, we can only "see" each other online and some have been and still very ill. There is nothing we can do to help them .

Their GPs can't see them, their hospital appointments are cancelled because the hospitals are not safe. The hospital staff are ill with covid because people wee not keeping to the rules and spreading the virus. A large percentage of the "well" public are carriers. There are hospitals still full to capacity with covif patients.

To hear that Cummings the Prime Ministers' Chief Advisor had broken his own rules to take his family to a place where was little infection (until he arrived) under a weak story was astonishing. It was HIS rule!
I won't go into the silly details he wants us to believe but we know some important "deals" were signed while he was there, away from the scrutiny of Parliament.

He should have resigned straight away.

Then the Prime Ministers defends him, that was a huge slap in the face to those already in great grief, some have lost multiple family members because they had to isolate all together in one house. We have seen videos families took while they isolated with sometimes three children. Children mostly get it mildly but they can spread it so they should not move into another household. The Cummings child and his mother were in a hospital overnight and they did not inform them they might have had covid.

But Cummings took his family to another household where over 70s were residing. His sister was in touch with them, his son was supposed to be looked after by her, there was NO attempt here to avoid infecting others.

The visit to the Castle is even more bizzare, forget the silly story about eyesight, we're not that stupid. They did enough damage there, sitting on a bench, meeting up with someone from GSK to sign a deal to furher spread the illness.
Job done, BOTH needed to return home to London. Yes both, Mary Wakefield is pivotal in all this and she links up with the Russian Report we should have seen last year. Her family have strong links that reach to Putin and a London Oligarch who funded Leave UK and (wait for it) the Trump campaign

Now if you can't see why Johnson can't sack Cummings you are blind. Cunning found the funding to put Jihnson there. Britain was conned under huge funding to get a right wing Government to destroy our democrracy. The same source that put Trump in his place in the USA.

America have had extensive clean outs and these London Oligarchs were named. But they still run the Britsh Government. When Johnson won the GE his celebration party was organised and paid fir by his Oligarch friend. His exotic holiday was paid for by the same.

We no longer have a democracy. These Oligarchs decide what the Government does and we have seen huge attacks on certain media people who are trying to tell us the truth, or let us know what is really happening. That is what happens in a country heading towards a dictatorship. See Hungary and Orban, we are heading fast in that direction.

Johnson loathes the British, he is an actor but he has done nothing to really stop the seed of deaths in this country. We heard him yesterday saying it was ""advice" again. NO other leader does that. Johnson knew when he last said that tens of thousands died.

That is not a Prime Minister of Britain, that is a Putin puppet manupulating a genocide. If he sacks Cummings the whole pack of cards collapse.

There are top criminals in our Government who are lying to us and are selling off our assets to their rich friends. Why Cummings was in Durham. The truth will out one day.

MaizieD Thu 28-May-20 13:08:48

Bravo, endre123.?

I don't feel quite so lonely now grin

Whitewavemark2 Thu 28-May-20 13:15:17

endre123

Very well said indeed

Whitewavemark2 Thu 28-May-20 13:21:55

So Cummings broke the rules say Durham police.

Johnson says matter now closed

Grannynannywanny Thu 28-May-20 13:36:32

Well said Endre123. Sorry to hear you’ve lost your Mum. That event in itself is difficult enough to deal with without the added traumatic circumstances you and so many others have had to endure.

Now you have the worry of several other family members who are ill at a time you should be grieving.

After the Cummings fiasco it’s no wonder you are so angry?

Grany Thu 28-May-20 13:38:23

This is what's really happening Well Said *endre123 For those who support BJ and DC You need to open your eyes.

Nandalot Thu 28-May-20 14:01:33

Sorry for your loss, Endre. Good post.

So Durham police say he broke the rules going to Barnard Castle but not going to fine him or take further action. Oh.

MayBee70 Thu 28-May-20 14:10:02

So not only have people lost faith in the government they have now lost faith in the police (who have been doing an admirable job till now). I bet police forces in other places are in despair today now everyone knows the rules are just advisory and they can do what they like.

Jabberwok Thu 28-May-20 14:19:24

It now appears that Ian Blackford did the same?!! Perhaps its now best to draw a line before all and sundry come out of the woodwork!

Ilovecheese Thu 28-May-20 14:32:46

You mean Ian Blackford drove 30 miles to test his eyesight with a four year old in the car?
Then no it is certainly not time to move on.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 28-May-20 14:51:33

I didn’t realise Ian Blackford drew up the law that he apparently broke???

MayBee70 Thu 28-May-20 14:52:06

Did Blackford drive 260 miles and then drive 60 miles afterwards? And did he drive the first 260 miles with someone who should have been self isolating at home? And did he leave someone who showed Covid 19 symptoms and then go back to work instead of self isolating himself? And then go to a hospital whilst supposedly suffering from the virus?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 28-May-20 14:56:23

Cummings 260 miles - written just for you maybe???

youtu.be/20eV4z4h4oE

Wheniwasyourage Thu 28-May-20 15:29:54

Well, I've found that the only bit of good news this week - in among the unbelievable mess that Messrs Cummings and Johnson have made of this country and society - is that our MP had the integrity and guts to resign as Minister at the Scotland Office quickly. I had thought that he was pretty feeble, and I am not a Tory voter, but I was pleased by his actions. The government may not care, but it was good to see that at least one junior minister had some courage!

Happygirl79 Thu 28-May-20 15:50:02

Our government is corrupt
Boris says enough and move on from tbe DC saga to us all and to do our civic duty
He says no point in bothering with an enquiry into the DC affair.. A waste of time.
No real explanation for us just do as I say not as I do

Grannynannywanny Thu 28-May-20 16:01:28

And don’t ask me about deadlines for anything because I’m forbidden from stating any as I’m a naughty little boy

MissAdventure Thu 28-May-20 16:15:36

youtu.be/Nn_8t6iZMgc

growstuff Thu 28-May-20 16:45:51

Blackford returned from the Commons to his home on Skye, which he represents as an MP, and has been self-isolating away from his wife, who has a medical condition.

MayBee70 Thu 28-May-20 16:50:06

That's what I heard growstuff; he said so on tv the other day. I don't recall hearing that he'd been lying about it. Does Jabberwock have a link to what exactly he has done wrong?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 28-May-20 17:13:08

Keir Starmer
@Keir_Starmer
Boris Johnson should have drawn a line under the Dominic Cummings saga but was too weak to act.

The public have sacrificed so much for the health of our nation - which he's now undermined.

And sent a message that there's one rule for them and another for the British people.