Institutional racism in the police?

Yes, it's sick perversion.

No arguments there Furret ?

chewbacca if you are trying to say that the police force is not institutionally racist then you are on a very sticky wicket.

Furret

chewbacca if you are trying to say that the police force is not institutionally racist then you are on a very sticky wicket.

We have 3 serving police officers in our extended family, along with many friends in the police force.

I find your accusations insulting to all the hardworking officers who put their lives on the line in order that you and your family along with the rest of the UK are kept safe!!!!

I suppose that's exactly what I'm saying Furret. I don't believe that every police officer in the UK is a racist, bigoted, corrupt thug. I do believe that there are a minority of police officers who are racist, bigoted and corrupt and need to be kicked out with a prison sentence where appropriate, no golden handshake or final salary pension . I do believe that the police force is trying to address the mistakes they made in the past and to create a better, fairer, more socially aware force for the future. I do believe that the majority of police officers are decent, dedicated and committed to serving the community they work for.

I believe this because I flatly refuse to believe that the police, like any other strata of society, is defined by a minority of its members.

There are always going to be bad apples in every organisation, but they should not be allowed to tarnish the hard working, loyal and brave majority.

No one is disputing that the selfie Officers were in the wrong, of course their actions were totally abhorrent and have made a grieving mothers situation worse.

Chewbacca I posted my opinion when you claimed it had no basis I posted the mother's statement which you ignored. We know from experience that it is possible for police forces to become influenced and dominated by ideas and cultures that most people would find unacceptable. This does not mean that every police officer subscribes to those beliefs just that they dominate. The Met in particular has a checkered history, but let's also not forget the Ulster Constabulary where the cultural divide was so embedded the only solution was to disband it. About Met corruption in 2015 www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-shocking-truth-about-police-corruption-in-britain

My post this morning was to explain I have had experience of
much which is being discussed on this thread. Yes I post of personal events , always have done , will continue to do so.

The mother assumed the police were racist because they didn’t immediately respond to a report that two women were
at a party in a park and were not answering their phones.

We do not know that the police not acting sooner or the police officers taking selfies was ‘racially motivated’ and before somebody gets immediately angry about that comment, I would think that part of the ‘not acting sooner’ was down to procedure and perhaps ( only perhaps, because all of this thread is really conjecture on our part) the police in London are very stretched at the minute with all that’s going on including street parties that shouldn’t be happening.
The two officers did an awful thing, in taking photos of themselves and the victims, but think on this, they may well have done the same if the victims were white women, white men, or any ethnicity at all.It may have been their first murder scene.The predilection for taking pics of the most disturbing scenes is rampant in our society.They knew they were doing wrong and in my view should be sacked, but let’s not assume it was a racist act, because it may well not have been, it was simply a terrible thing to do regardless of colour.

For heavens sake - do you understand what institutionally means GG13. No one accused your family of being racist police officers. On another thread I pointed out it is 27 years since the Stephen Laurence murder. We clearly have not moved of 27 years worth of improvement.

And this while country harbours very many closet racists than you might think. Just reading some of the posts on GN (I’m sure you know who I mean) proves my points l,

Which posts here are ‘racist’ Furret because actually nothing proves your point except you are indulging in vague finger pointing.

trisher

Chewbacca I posted my opinion when you claimed it had no basis I posted the mother's statement which you ignored. We know from experience that it is possible for police forces to become influenced and dominated by ideas and cultures that most people would find unacceptable. This does not mean that every police officer subscribes to those beliefs just that they dominate. The Met in particular has a checkered history, but let's also not forget the Ulster Constabulary where the cultural divide was so embedded the only solution was to disband it. About Met corruption in 2015 www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-shocking-truth-about-police-corruption-in-britain

I beg your pardon trisher? Are you quite sure that I claimed it had no basis. Are you quite sure that I ignored the mother's statement?

My first post on this thread was at 15.00 yesterday in which I said that there were 2 issues here. I posted The actions of the 2 police officers who took photographs of the 2 sisters is a different matter and, in itself, was a horrible and unforgivable act. It's difficult to conclude that racism didn't play a part in their actions.

I then posted a direct extract from the MissingPeople website regarding the procedure3for reporting a missing person.

How dare you claim that I said that this crime had no basis; are you out of your mind? I would normally report a lying, inaccurate and malicious post but, as you're obviously quite proud of it, I'll let it stay up so that others can judge you.

Really, you want me to spell it out? I’m not into spoon feeding supposedly literate adults.

Furret

For heavens sake - do you understand what institutionally means GG13. No one accused your family of being racist police officers. On another thread I pointed out it is 27 years since the Stephen Laurence murder. We clearly have not moved of 27 years worth of improvement.

And this while country harbours very many closet racists than you might think. Just reading some of the posts on GN (I’m sure you know who I mean) proves my points l,

I do understand institutionally thank you.

I did not say that you accused my extended family members of being racist.

Furret

Really, you want me to spell it out? I’m not into spoon feeding supposedly literate adults.

You are certainly doing something with a spoon.
Yes, spell it out, say which posts on here are ‘racist’.

Forgetting your indignation at trishers opening statement...do you not agree with the rest of her post?

You see it’s important to look beyond something which might offend us personally and look at the substance of a post.

I’ve had this happen twice in a matter of minutes when someone who is clearly incapable of coherent discussion responded in this manner, but surely you are better than that chewbacca?

All I can see is that we are united in thinking that what those two officers did was an appalling act.
We do not have the facts of this case, only the police do, so if there are legitimate faults with police procedure around the handling of the missing persons call, it will come out in due course.

Define what you mean by ‘on here’. Are you referring to this thread?

The facts we do have is that the police chose not to respond to a request to search for the two women, so a friend mounted his own search and found their bodies.

Yes, on this thread since we are actually on this thread!

If you want to know my thoughts and opinions on this Furret, scroll back and find them. I'm not going to spoon feed you.

Have you not read the post by Chewbacca on police procedure for missing persons?
The police receive so many calls on this subject that they have to prioritise.
Why shouldn’t friends and family mount their own search when they knew where the women had been.....I certainly would have done, and so would most worried people.

my son is half oriental/scots and has not at anytime been treated unfairly or racist remarks.as a police officer except members of the public who have made racist remarks about him.

Then I suggest you re-read my post which clearly referred to GN not this thread. And by GN I meant GN. My choice of word was quite deliberate. So stop digging yourself into a hole.

Chewbacca you have entirely missed my point.

This is why GN is such an aggressive and useless way to debate anything. Anyway you can all have a moan as I’m off to seek more intellectually challenging company and walk my dog.

And before you all go ape-shit that was tongue in cheek - but the ‘swear’ word was deliberate to give you something to get your teeth into...actually that was badly worded but what the hell. Go for it laydees ?