Leavers. Were you absolutely clear that a no deal Brexit would mean job losses?

He didn’t care, total freedom from the rules of the EU was his goal, new rules from the ERG would be brought in to enable his elite to clean up.

We have been lied to in the past, the present and will be in the future, see through the lies and make your own judgements.

Let’s admit it, many of the electorate didn’t have a clue what they were voting for.

I take it Furret you are referring to both leavers and remainders? Since the former were in the overwhelming majority that is what we have to abide by. Unless remainers think they are the only ones allowed to be ‘right’. No point in banging on. The dye is cast.

Remainers not reminders.

I seem to remember that there were some comments about possible job losses but let’s face it there were just so many dire predictions flying around at that time that after a while they were dismissed.

I hate to keep using the oft quoted ‘scare mongering’ but that is exactly what most were.

growstuff the obvious job losses were those on the Brussels gravy train but also some in manufacturing mainly the motor industry when the car giants took large Euro grants to relocate. Gains would be in design and engineering as we invest in green technology, investment in manufacturing as we grow and attract car makers to return, building jobs as we increase infrastructure spending, more security and growth for our fishing industry and much more.
We really do need a positive vibe from our press and public to get behind our country and thereby encourage investment.

I'm taking it from the replies I'm getting that no Leavers can actually clearly remember any warnings of Brexit job losses coming from Leave campaigners

vegansrock to call people who take a different viewpoint to you ‘crazies’ is rude and ignorant and certainly not conducive to grown up debate. Play nice.

25Avalon

I take it Furret you are referring to both leavers and remainders? Since the former were in the overwhelming majority that is what we have to abide by. Unless remainers think they are the only ones allowed to be ‘right’. No point in banging on. The dye is cast.

I was referring to both sides but you are so very wrong if you think that leavers were in the ‘overwhelming majority’.

It was 52% to 48%. Statistically not ‘overwhelming’.

Peardrop said: Gains would be in design and engineering as we invest in green technology, investment in manufacturing as we grow and attract car makers to return, building jobs as we increase infrastructure spending, more security and growth for our fishing industry and much more. but why would we need to leave the EU to invest in green technology? Car makers will not return unless we lure them to stay with massive subsidies, infrastructure spending is not controlled by the EU, the lack of it has been a government decision based upon the austerity we have had for 10+ years, as for the fishing industry.....well, if you haven't worked out by now that it was a red herring ( deliberate pun) then it is a bit late to explain it now. None, repeat, none of these wonderful ideas were stopped by the EU.

Peardrop50

growstuff the obvious job losses were those on the Brussels gravy train but also some in manufacturing mainly the motor industry when the car giants took large Euro grants to relocate. Gains would be in design and engineering as we invest in green technology, investment in manufacturing as we grow and attract car makers to return, building jobs as we increase infrastructure spending, more security and growth for our fishing industry and much more.
We really do need a positive vibe from our press and public to get behind our country and thereby encourage investment.

Err...there have been more job losses than that, including in banking, other financial services, scientific research, engineering, pharmaceuticals, IT, etc etc - all as a direct result of Brexit. Car manufacturers took European Central Bank loans (not EU) and Tesla decided to build in Germany rather than the UK, due to Brexit uncertainty.

They were all high-paying jobs, which meant taxes for the Treasury and attracted other businesses in the supply chain.

I forgot farming and fishing.

Furret I was referring to the general election as well. The dye is cast like it or not.

25Avalon

Furret I was referring to the general election as well. The dye is cast like it or not.

I didn’t say the die wasn’t cast! All I was commenting on was how little most people understood what they were voting for on the Brexit Referendum.

As for the last GE...well!

Furret

25Avalon

Furret I was referring to the general election as well. The dye is cast like it or not.

I didn’t say the die wasn’t cast! All I was commenting on was how little most people understood what they were voting for on the Brexit Referendum.

As for the last GE...well!

Oh, come, come, Furret. People knew exactly what they were voting for in the referendum.

Or so we've been told with unfailing regularity any time over these last 4 years.

On another thread today someone mentioned we should wear our ‘positive pants’. Maybe that’s a good idea from 1 January. Instead of moaning.

As far as I can see there is very little to be positive about.

Vote Leave government to spend hundreds of millions of pounds on euphemistic ways of saying 'We Lied'

twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1282594954209046528

There's no way back from Brexit. That's the political reality, whether you like it or not.

Remember project fear - that Brexiters loves to bandy about?

Now they have the glorious excuse of Coved19.

They know it isn’t true, but it is too embarrassing to admit that they have made the most awful boo boo.

WW2 my daughters often say to me when they disagree with me “In your opinion”

Maisie: Give it a rest with your constant goading and bullying tones to Urmstongran. When she finds her crystal ball she’ll let you know what the future will bring. You come across as ill wishing everyone and desperately hoping things will go badly. You’ll be gutted if all goes well once things settle down, won’t you?

Are you seriously suggesting that we would be thriving despite COVID if only we had stayed in the EU, WW?

Actually, the giant lorry park in Kent will bring in jobs and money. People of Kent must be getting all excited now that Brexit is so near.

Well we don’t like it. We don’t want to lower our food and welfare standards and poodle up to Trump, which is what Brexit is about. Apart from getting rid of furriners.