Lazy, lazy Boris

It makes me feel very sad to think that things haven't moved much further within the NHS. It's only those who've enjoyed years of experience that I would ever trust as I have very little confidence in GP's generally who have people's lives in their hands. What's gone wrong ?

Finally I would work hard to be on top of my brief, that I sounded confident and truthful in my speeches and answers to questions. That I never ever lied over what is actually happening, and worked hard to build trust and confidence.

Oh dear nothing. It's how things were and still are.

If Boris is relying on medics for his speeches then I feel damn sorry for him. They seem to change like the wind.

Nobody knows anything about this virus--how it works, it's reaction in different members of the public, who dies and who doesn't.

EllanVannin

It makes me feel very sad to think that things haven't moved much further within the NHS. It's only those who've enjoyed years of experience that I would ever trust as I have very little confidence in GP's generally who have people's lives in their hands. What's gone wrong ?

All those cancer survivors won’t agree

All those with heart issues won’t agree

EllanVannin

If Boris is relying on medics for his speeches then I feel damn sorry for him. They seem to change like the wind.

Nobody knows anything about this virus--how it works, it's reaction in different members of the public, who dies and who doesn't.

I give up on this conversation. You are no longer making any sense.

Sorry, EV, I meant "we" as a country, and the decision makers. Of course the public needs to use common sense. The amazing community spirit displayed will be remembered for a long while to come and I dare say would surface again if necessary. Government should not be allowed to forget either. Those in power, the scientists, and the decision makers now all have the knowledge to bring about massive change in the NHS and to make the necessary funding available.

So why/how did so many die of the virus ?

So many died because the country was not prepared despite scientific reports over previous decades. Also too many died, compared with say Germany, due of the lack of laboratories.

EllanVannin

If Boris is relying on medics for his speeches then I feel damn sorry for him. They seem to change like the wind.

Nobody knows anything about this virus--how it works, it's reaction in different members of the public, who dies and who doesn't.

I don't understand you.

Scientists and medics have a very good idea how the virus works - and have done for some time. The statistics are very clear about who is at highest risk of dying.

There's still much to learn, for example about immunity and, of course, how to prevent transmission. However, it's simply not true to claim that "nobody knows anything about this virus".

I think you may be exaggerating a little EV with your statements that nothing has improved medically since the late 1950s, cancer survival rates would contradict that for a start off, plus we know so much more about the dangers of smoking, obesity etc., and I do not share your enthusiasm for the good old days of medicine.

So why/how did so many die of the virus ?

Good heavens, EV. You're an ex-nurse. You've seen everything that has been done or not done. You've been able to access information about other countries' handling of the pandemic, current research, updates to research, the informed opinion of virologists, epidemiologists, public health experts etc. etc. yet you still ask ridiculously trite questions? There's reams an reams of information available on the internet. Can you not put two and two together and draw a conclusion instead of asking us?

I asked that question to see how many would blame Boris, MaizieD.

I know as well as anyone else that there's no easy answer considering that many without underlying health problems also died, but at the same time I don't see the sense or logic in blaming one person for the ills in this country either when each adult is responsible for their own health.

But wasn't Boris simply acting on the information given to him by the medics and the scientists? Certainly at the start of lockdown.

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Exactly, Ellianne. Which is why I object to Boris being blamed and also branded lazy. He's been the messenger and you don't shoot them !

EllanVannin

I know as well as anyone else that there's no easy answer considering that many without underlying health problems also died, but at the same time I don't see the sense or logic in blaming one person for the ills in this country either when each adult is responsible for their own health.

How can they be responsible for their own health if they have dementia or are forced to work in an unsafe environment? And when we had a leader who boasted about shaking hands with Covid-19 patients and taking it on the chin? What kind of message did that give to people who didn't have that much information?

Well Boris paid the price for his stupidity didn't he ? That action he took in shaking hands certainly didn't mean that everyone else had to do the same ? Which is why I said that we're responsible for our own health regardless of what others do.

We wouldn't put our hand in a fire because someone else did would we ? As for those with dementia, they usually have someone with them who are alert to these things happening.

It's also down to management if there are unsafe working environments, not Boris----he doesn't know what goes on in the lives of 65 million people @ growstuff.

If Corbyn had been in power and the same thing happened, would you be bashing him too ?

The government didn't "follow the science" either.

Sir Patrick Vallance told the committee that SAGE advised the government to impose lockdown measures “as soon as possible” on the 16 or 18 March.

He said this happened as soon as data showed further restrictions were needed. “Looking back, you can see the data may have preceded that but the data was not available before that.”

Scientists realised in mid-March that “we were further ahead in the epidemic than had been thought”.

What on earth has Corbyn got to do with it? And yes, if he'd behaved like an idiot, I'd be bashing him too.

EllanVannin

Well Boris paid the price for his stupidity didn't he ? That action he took in shaking hands certainly didn't mean that everyone else had to do the same ? Which is why I said that we're responsible for our own health regardless of what others do.

We wouldn't put our hand in a fire because someone else did would we ? As for those with dementia, they usually have someone with them who are alert to these things happening.

It's also down to management if there are unsafe working environments, not Boris----he doesn't know what goes on in the lives of 65 million people @ growstuff.

Johnson is the Prime Minister. He is responsible for making laws and ensuring they're enforced. The buck stops with him.

And you were a nurse?

More tedious Boris bashing! Is this going to go on for the next four years? Hopefully you’ll bore yourselves as much as you bore others now.

It would be more sensible if you start working for the party you favour - as long as you aren’t Jewish, of course.

So at this stage, can you think of anyone who would do a better job given that this virus is an unknown quantity in how it strikes ?