Where are the Tory supporters who seem shy in defending the government?

I have been super nice Calendargirl! Sweet and respectful.

And regards protecting the NHS and maintaining animal welfare and food standards. Labour claimed the Bill risked leaving the health service "wide open to pharmaceutical giants".

However, ministers insisted that UK law offers such protections and that any changes would have to first be agreed by Parliament. Checks & balances right there! Surely that should reassure you WWmk2?

Conor Burns, the former trade minister was quoted as saying:

"The mixture of ignorance and scaremongering by some opposition MPs on the Trade Bill is frightening. As a minister I drafted it. It would be helpful if they actually read it. Most of the criticism relates to things that aren't in it and not covered by the scope of the Bill."

And of course Nigel Farage’s Brexit party’s amazing result was also rigged by the Russians wasn’t it? !!

That result was yet another Brexit confirmation vote making three times in total that we have voted to leave the EU.

If this report has shown anything it is that, much as many of us have thought for a very long time, the UK is a sham democracy.

So far, our Tory friends and relatives have said 'they are making a right mess of it, but still better than Corbyn' - 2 days ago, having lunch with good Tory friends, 2 couples voluntarily came up with 'beginning to think maybe Corbyn would have been better after all'. To hear them say that was mind blowing. SIL said the same on the phone that evening.

One thing is for sure, Starmer would have been far, far, far better than either of them.

Oh well biba70 I guess we’ll never know!
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However, ministers insisted that UK law offers such protections and that any changes would have to first be agreed by Parliament.

Do you not realise that Parliament, by way of that 78 seat majority, has just voted to lose its power to scrutinise trade agreements? Meaning that they will be powerless to stop the NHS being part of one and powerless to set standards. They are voting away the checks and balances and turning our parliamentary democracy into a dictatorship.

So, given the tory's track record for lying through their teeth, emulating their leader, ministers' empty words don't reassure anyone who knows what they are talking about.

It will gradually dawn on you one day...

One thing I still find hilarious is that it's only the right wingers on here who bang on about Corbyn. During the election GN Labour voters were branded Corbynistas and hailed as groupies. Yet he stood down and not a peep from his so called fan club. Only the Boris babes still banging the erroneous Marxist drum.

Give over ladies. He's been and gone. Catch up.

Urmstongran, we won't know about Corbyn, that is true. But we will know about Starmer- and it can't be soon enough.

I do wonder if this could be challenged in Law MaizieD? We do live in a Parliamentary Democracy- and that has to mean, that we elect MPs who then have to represent us in Parliament. Anything else is, as you say, the short route to dictatorship.

If that is allowed- then I hope it comes to bite them on the a*se big time when labour wins with a vast majority next time.

I personally haven’t mentioned Corbyn once since he stepped down.

No, you haven't, Ug. It was kittylester on this thread.

biba70 Dream on. That is not going to happen !!

Urmstongran

I personally haven’t mentioned Corbyn once since he stepped down.

Fair enough Urmstongran. Some others however drag him out at the drop of a hat.

Not a single Tory supporter has defended the Russia report, where half the bloody country is now in hock to Putin or China.

Not a single Tory has defended the corruption in the Tory party and the fact that the Tories won’t address the Putin ownership of London and the massive amount of money he has laundered through the Tory party.

The pigs noses are so far into the trough that they can’t come up for air. It is absolutely disgusting, and to my mind amounts to traitors.

None of them have the courtesy to apologise for bleating “project fear” at our fears of losing our NHS, our precious food standards and a level of democracy that is being eroded.

My opinion of Tory supporters who fail to understand what is happening or indeed support what is happening is unprintable, but if you use your imagination you can guess.

Not just Russian, there has been plenty of dodgy foreign cash filtering into the U.K. one way or another. Very profitable for those banks willing not to ask too many questions. It’s one of the reasons that some financial establishments were pushing for Brexit, the latest EU regulations were limiting their operations.

As for Russia interfering with elections, anything that either destabilized western interests OR enabled money laundering was good. Should we really expect anything else from them, or indeed from China.

Blinkered Tory supporters won’t criticise the government for anything will they, so don’t hold your breath.

Even in Trumps USA the information if Russian interference was presented to the voter 2 months after the election,

In a Tory U.K. the information is being withheld. Democracy is on hold.

What sort of U.K. is this?

Those that state they now believe that Jeremy Corbyn would have made a better Prime Minister than Johnson should have conceived those thoughts prior to the General election.

As a person believing in democracy Corbyn reintroduced that concept throughout all levels of the Labour party with election to all offices outside that of the employed staff. That action drew in huge numbers in membership that made Labour the largest political organisation in Europe.

Leaders such McCluskey and Bob Crow carried out similar to the above in the broader labour movement, again bringing election to all offices throughout the movement.

However, many now criticising the lack of democracy in the Tory Party had only criticism of Corbyn prior to the last general election with little thought it would seem to what may happen to Parliamentary decision making under the leadership of a proven liar such as Johnson.

I seem to recall that I was the only one on this forum still defending Corbyn and his policies on the morning following the general election result. All other "staunch Labour supporters" disappeared from this site often for a period of many weeks.

What a joke some people are.

Another foul Tory. Report by BBC

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I see Corrupt Tories and Tory traitors is trending.

“550+ nurses died on the frontline in the battle against COVID19 & for what? A round of applause. It’s sickening that the Tories have left out nurses, paramedics, therapies staff and carers from the outside mic sector pay rise. If you voted Tory you should be ashamed #ToryTraitors“

A lot of this stuff is too complicated for many people so they just ignore it.
Most ( if not all ) think all governments are a little bit corrupt, with money & favours changing hands here there & everywhere. the phrase; ‘they’re all as bad as each other’ embedded firmly in their minds.

No disrespect op, but I really don’t think gransnet is the hub of great political minds who want to debate for hours on end. maybe they’ve got better things to do?
So not really sure what it is you’re trying to achieve?
From your posts it looks like you want Tory voters to throw themselves at your feet so you can give them a damn good flogging. ( which they’d probably quite enjoy )

Kandinsky in regard to your post @08:06 today, you obviously feel that with the exception of yourself all other members of this forum are incapable of judging and forming realistic opinions on any political matter?

I think it better if I say no more in regard to your totally arrogant post.

Kandinsky

A lot of this stuff is too complicated for many people so they just ignore it.
Most ( if not all ) think all governments are a little bit corrupt, with money & favours changing hands here there & everywhere. the phrase; ‘they’re all as bad as each other’ embedded firmly in their minds.

No disrespect op, but I really don’t think gransnet is the hub of great political minds who want to debate for hours on end. maybe they’ve got better things to do?
So not really sure what it is you’re trying to achieve?
From your posts it looks like you want Tory voters to throw themselves at your feet so you can give them a damn good flogging. ( which they’d probably quite enjoy )

Weird

I think Kandinsky's post hits the nail squarely on the head. Just ignore the sarcasm.

(TBH it rather amused me)