Starmer's speech to the virtual LP conference

I like Starmer but he lacks ?

MaizieD

I have to say that if I lived in a marginal tory constituency I would vote for whichever of Labour or LibDem had the best chance of winning the seat from the tories.

But I've never been in a constituency where my vote seemed to count that much..

I understand MaisieD views. Unfortunately our corrupt political system will continue with the help of the RW media to oppose any improvements that will give the Electorate a stronger say in our choice of MP.

It's really dangerous to only listen to people who you support firecracker.

Firecracker ''Personally I think he has no charisma, is uninspiring and his delivery is deadpan.''

we have seen what so called 'charisma' and boisterous delivery does, haven't we? Great examples of late, Johnson and Trump.

Johnson's vavavoom has certainly dropped like a ton of bricks, for sure- and we can all see that there is nough behind.

Give me calm, informed, experienced, hard-working, intelligent researching and negotiating + care and a <3 - 1000x a day.

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Firecracker ''Personally I think he has no charisma, is uninspiring and his delivery is deadpan.''

we have seen what so called 'charisma' and boisterous delivery does, haven't we? Great examples of late, Johnson and Trump.**


Both Johnson and Trump won elections, Boris by a stomping 80 seats and both are charismatic. You do have to actually win an election to make a difference, 15 mins at PMQs just doesn't cut it. Bending the knee for BLM didn't impress me either and I'm sure I not the only one. Trying to stop Brexit. Voters have a long memory.

Annie - did you mean Under Corbyn’s leadership, Labour lost two general elections, local elections and European elections?

You do have to actually win an election to make a difference

and what an mazing difference he is making

A case of sour grapes on your part me thinks lol.

wait for that pudding, lol

Well yes let's hope they do firecracker, then they will remember the care homes, the exams, the test and trace etc, etc.

Yes voters won't forget Starmer and Rayner taking the knee, big error of judgement.

it was brilliant - what was wrong about taking the knee? Are you racist?

Having now watched his speech, it was o.k. I suppose he doesn't have to give policy ideas as to how to achieve the country that he wants to see, as the election is so far in the future. He sounds like he wants to be seen as a safe pair of hands, and seems to be succeeding in that aim.
I have seen on this site that left wingers are sometimes accused of a lack of patriotism, and he wanted to refute that.
I am not sure though, that implying that the party deserved to lose the last election, was a very wise move as it could well alienate the very people that campaign on the streets during an election campaign, and he will need them in the future.
Also, continually stressing the "new management " is that the way to unite the different sections in the party? I don't think so, and he needs to find a way to do that.
Those of us who were inspired by the policies under Jeremy Corbyn's leadership don't want all that hope and enthusiasm to be brushed aside.

As one of the many who campaign in the streets, I was relieved to hear Starmer tell the truth. If a party loses two general elections, it’s time to reflect rather than accuse the electorate of getting it wrong.

Iam64 ??

I don't think you can ask for policies right now, but he sets out his aspirations

Properly funded universal public services. World-class education which unleashes everyone’s potential.

A huge investment in skills and a plan, working hand-in-hand with businesses and trade unions, to create high quality jobs.

An economy that doesn’t force people to move hundreds of miles just to find a decent job. One that truly works for all regions and nations of this United Kingdom. With opportunity and security in every part of the country and at every stage of our lives.

A country committed to a greener, cleaner and fairer society. Where every policy is judged not just by how much it costs today but also by what it does for the planet tomorrow.

A country which would be an active force for good in the world, once again admired and respected. Leading the world – and leading by example – in tackling the climate emergency.

If he can get a grip on how an economy really works; not by focussing on deficits (which are mostly people's savings) but by recognising that a country with a sovereign currency can issue what is needed to achieve these things (which is no more than the tories are doing at the moment) it could be promising.

Quoted Can you imagine a Labour Party leader having someone who worked for an anti-trade union outsourcing firm, as well as a PR company for a racist apartheid nation, to introduce his keynote conference speech? Then to say that person exemplifies the values he wants Labour to stand for? ?

Thanks MaizieD - Starmer is right to set out his aspirations, the principles that underpin his belief systems. It’s up to the Momentum believers whether they support or continue to undermine with the aim of ensuring the Conservatives continue to ruin our country.
50,000 nurses short. Thousands of vacancies in social care. Police, social work, drug /alcohol teams, poor recruitment and retention of teachers, crisis in housing. It makes me so angry

Still splits in the Labour Party as Labour has sacked three junior shadow ministers who joined with Jeremy Corbyn and 14 other Socialist Campaign group MPs in breaking the party’s whip by voting against the second reading of a controversial armed forces bill.

Sources close to the party’s leadership said that the three MPs were warned in advance that they could not remain in their posts as parliamentary private secretaries if they voted against the bill.

Nadia Whittome, Beth Winter and Olivia Blake defied the whip, which called on Labour MPs to abstain on the overseas operations bill. The legislation aims to introduce a presumption against prosecution for British soldiers serving abroad.

The group of rebels was led by former party leader Corbyn also included John McDonnell, Diane Abbott and Rebecca Long-Bailey.

Starmer is herding cats.

No he just has a long way to go. But we all knew that. I listened to someone yesterday saying that one of his key characteristics is patience and an ability to play the long game. We are not living in a fairytale a situation like this takes time to resolve but it is happening.

Grany

Quoted Can you imagine a Labour Party leader having someone who worked for an anti-trade union outsourcing firm, as well as a PR company for a racist apartheid nation, to introduce his keynote conference speech? Then to say that person exemplifies the values he wants Labour to stand for? ?

Can you clarify who, and what, this is about, Grany?

Do nations employ PR companies ?

It was Ruth Smeeth MaizieD who did the intro for Starmer before his speech, and was his way of showing that anti-semitism in the LP will hopefully be a thing of the past .

Who can forget that verbal attack on Ruth Smeeth and Corbyn shook hands with her abuser .

Well if Starmer's uniting the Labour Party involves supporting a bill which will effectively provide British soldiers protection from accusations of rape and torture I can see a lot of people leaving. It is a bill which has been roundly condemned by human rights activists (didn't Starmer used to claim he was one?). It shows a distinct lack of understanding about the history of Labour and links him to war monger Tony Blair in spirit, if not in fact. He needs to rethink
labourlist.org/2020/09/labour-government-bill-risks-torture-and-other-war-crimes-going-unpunished/