We need a coup

It proves Galaxy that those I know wanted to leave the EU,
So are happy....and that you, and those who wished to remain are not happy.
Balance, see?

I think there will be a deal, last minute as usual with the EU.

Johnson doesn't need to hold his nerve. It's a question of no deal or a very poor deal.

Speculation is that he'll wait for the US election result. If the orange one gets back in Johnson will go for no deal; if Biden gets in he'll go for the poor deal (and of course, big it up like he did the Withdrawal Deal which was just the same as May's deal, just with the NI customs border in a different place).

Such a sad end for a once prosperous and respected UK.

Sad end?!!!! Oh really?!! Time will tell! I think, like lemon, that a deal will be done at the eleventh hour. The ex finance minister of Greece indicated that this would be the outcome, and he had had experience!!! Remember Greenland? It took three years for them to break away from the tyranny of the EU! So nearly five years for us had to be expected!

Perhaps reading the Insight article starting on the front page of the Sunday Times will give some of the posters who think the sun shines out of this government a different perspective.

I found it very upsetting indeed and still they go on lying.

I think that we have hope fervently for a Biden win.

Remember Greenland? It took three years for them to break away from the tyranny of the EU! So nearly five years for us had to be expected!

You were well conned if you thought that disentangling 47 years of close regulatory integration was going to be easy or quick. Most knowledgeable commentators thought 10 years would be nearer the mark.

westendgirl

Perhaps reading the Insight article starting on the front page of the Sunday Times will give some of the posters who think the sun shines out of this government a different perspective.

I found it very upsetting indeed and still they go on lying.

Perhaps this needs a thread of its own?

Good news at last !
www.thesun.co.uk/news/13010223/keir-starmer-take-action-angela-rayner-scum/

As a labour party supporter I am furious with angela rayner, not because of the language used, Johnson has used a range of racist homophobic language for example, but because it detracts from the issue and gives people an excuse to focus on the word rather than children starving. It detracts from the real issue. And gives those who care little about those children an opt out.

Janpt- no surprise that your focus of criticism is of Angela Raynor for using language that she quickly apologised for. No criticism at all for the way this government throws our tax money down the drain, allocating government contracts to their friends despite the companies having no experience or expertise.
Angela Raynor's use of one word has given the Tories false outrage at a time when they were rightly facing widespread criticism.

Iam64

Janpt- no surprise that your focus of criticism is of Angela Raynor for using language that she quickly apologised for. No criticism at all for the way this government throws our tax money down the drain, allocating government contracts to their friends despite the companies having no experience or expertise.
Angela Raynor's use of one word has given the Tories false outrage at a time when they were rightly facing widespread criticism.

This is not false outrage. It is outrage that someone in her role as Deputy Leader of the Labour party is not fit for office. No apology will hide that fact. I can think of far more reasons the Labour Party can be criticized for too but you can't accept that.

I don't care what your views of either Angela Raynor or the LP might be.

Iam64

I don't care what your views of either Angela Raynor or the LP might be.

I'm not surprised at that. You're obviously tarred with the same brush !!

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We all decide if we consider the government vis a vis the cabinet is up to the job. It is called democracy.

This government has almost certainly the most incompetent cabinet we have had the misfortune to experience.

That together with its propensity to throw money at its donors and supporters is a disaster for the U.K.

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Whitewavemark2

We all decide if we consider the government vis a vis the cabinet is up to the job. It is called democracy.

This government has almost certainly the most incompetent cabinet we have had the misfortune to experience.

That together with its propensity to throw money at its donors and supporters is a disaster for the U.K.

That is your opinion which you are entitled to have. Have you however taken into account the unprecedented situation the country is in and do you honestly feel that the Labour Party could deal with it any better. We have already witnessed the quality of the Deputy Leader of the party and it gives no reassurance on that. Quite the opposite in fact. She shows no knowledge of what counts as acceptable behaviour from someone in that role in parliament. Either that or she just doesn't care.

I assume you are hoping fervently for a Trump win?

janpt

I think, Janpt, if you read my original post, you will see I said 'an internal Tory overthrow or another political group'.

At NO point did I mention Labour. You did that.

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Why on earth should you be removed? I see nothing in your posts very bothering tbh. Yes they are cross and yes you aren’t very well mannered, but apart from that nothing to warrant your removal.

Janpt

Will you STOP banging on about Labour? They are irrelevant right now.

Whitewavemark2

Why on earth should you be removed? I see nothing in your posts very bothering tbh. Yes they are cross and yes you aren’t very well mannered, but apart from that nothing to warrant your removal.

Janpt

Thanks for showing some support. It's a bit lonely out here as one of the very few right wingers. I didn't know at first just how out numbered I would be. Perhaps I should have found a different site. Sorry to appear so ill mannered. Some posts just bring out the worst in people.

Janpt, your political views are as we both know very different than mine. We are both entitled to express them on this site and why on earth you think you will be 'removed' I can't imagine.
When you refer to Angela Raynore and "the way she behaved in Parliament" I'm assuming you are referring to the word "scum". It says it all that someone like that should have been trusted with that role

Is muttering the word 'scum' and quickly apologising the only criticism you have of Angela Raylor? I didn't vote for her as deputy but so far so ok. I admire her for surviving her difficult childhood. We need more people like her in Parliament and many fewer privately educated, privileged men.