We need a coup

Iam64

Janpt, your political views are as we both know very different than mine. We are both entitled to express them on this site and why on earth you think you will be 'removed' I can't imagine.
When you refer to Angela Raynore and "the way she behaved in Parliament" I'm assuming you are referring to the word "scum". It says it all that someone like that should have been trusted with that role

Is muttering the word 'scum' and quickly apologising the only criticism you have of Angela Raylor? I didn't vote for her as deputy but so far so ok. I admire her for surviving her difficult childhood. We need more people like her in Parliament and many fewer privately educated, privileged men.

Thank you for your post. I appreciate your valid comments and sorry if my opinion went over the top on this topic.

The only real concerning matter to do with Angela Raynor muttering ‘scum’ is that a dozen MP’s (Conservative) have been targeted online, at their offices and at home by lowlives
Phoning and emailing death threats, graffiti saying Tory Scum. Over a hundred MP’s have contacted Starmer to make sure Raynor watches her language in Parliament, because language has consequences.
If you use the language of the streets, you get the action of the streets.

lemongrove

The only real concerning matter to do with Angela Raynor muttering ‘scum’ is that a dozen MP’s (Conservative) have been targeted online, at their offices and at home by lowlives
Phoning and emailing death threats, graffiti saying Tory Scum. Over a hundred MP’s have contacted Starmer to make sure Raynor watches her language in Parliament, because language has consequences.
If you use the language of the streets, you get the action of the streets.

Good to hear that action is being taken over this. What an example to young people she has given.

It seems rather unbalanced to me that a woman understandably upset about children facing hunger (something she has experienced), should be castigated for referring to Tory politiciansas "scum," and immediately apologising, whilst the man who is PM of this country described Muslim women as "letter boxes" in a written article and has never withdrawn the remark. Of course the women who suffered as a result of his language are not high profile MPs and are probably used to racial abuse anyway.

Yes and the list is much longer than just the word trisher mentioned, I will not use the word that johnson used for gay men but I assume he can therefore be blamed for attacks on gay men using the logic in this thread.

Janpt says "I hope you are all proud of Angela Rayner and the way she behaved in parliament. It says it all that someone like that should have been trusted with that role."
Well yes, proud of her for sticking up for hungry children in a place full of MPs who had eaten well at the HoC subsidised work cafeteria.

Not quite so proud of her for letting the dread word "scum" pass her lips, but she did have the grace to instantly apologise, and as she been in the same position in her childhood, she had a personal and acute interest in the subject.

As for not being fit to be "trusted with that role" isn't someone who had a hungry childhood ideal to speak up for this generation of hungry children?

Janpt

lemongrove

The only real concerning matter to do with Angela Raynor muttering ‘scum’ is that a dozen MP’s (Conservative) have been targeted online, at their offices and at home by lowlives
Phoning and emailing death threats, graffiti saying Tory Scum. Over a hundred MP’s have contacted Starmer to make sure Raynor watches her language in Parliament, because language has consequences.
If you use the language of the streets, you get the action of the streets.

Good to hear that action is being taken over this. What an example to young people she has given.

What an example our PM sets to people, not just young people!

growstuff

Janpt

lemongrove

The only real concerning matter to do with Angela Raynor muttering ‘scum’ is that a dozen MP’s (Conservative) have been targeted online, at their offices and at home by lowlives
Phoning and emailing death threats, graffiti saying Tory Scum. Over a hundred MP’s have contacted Starmer to make sure Raynor watches her language in Parliament, because language has consequences.
If you use the language of the streets, you get the action of the streets.

Good to hear that action is being taken over this. What an example to young people she has given.

What an example our PM sets to people, not just young people!

Getting back to work in spite of having been very ill with Covid !!

Not sure that going back to work when not fit to do the job is a good example to set.

This post contains words that some people will find offensive.

In reply to Janpt

Boris Johnson has been shown to be lying on several occasions. He lied about the EU’s plans for bananas and, of all things, coffins, when he was the Brussels correspondent for the Telegraph. He wrote an article for the Spectator in which he blamed drunken Liverpool fans for the 1989 Hillsborough disaster and suggested that the people of the city were wallowing in their victim status. He denied having affairs with a Spectator columnist while he was in Michael Howard’s government, when it came out that this was true he refused to resign and was sacked.
He has called Muslim women letterboxes and gay men “tank topped bumboys”. He referred to Africans as "piccanninies" with "watermelon smiles".
He’s has more affairs than I can mention and will not disclose how many children he has. Jennifer Arcuri has just admitted he had an affair with her and he treated her company preferentially.
Then there is the £350m bus advert.

I don’t think he’s a good example to anyone, is he?

There is a review of the recent biography of Boris in this weeks Spectator, a magazine he used to edit.

Among the things said in the review are His lies are too numerous to list. But it means that anyone taking Boris's word for anything is a fool. Elsewhere someone says of him
you always knew precisely where you stood with Boris, because he always let you down

Later on he is descibed as A man of remarkable gifts flawed by an absence of conscience, principle ot scruple

Now this is a review in a magazine, which Boris once edited and could be considered to be on his side. If this is what his friends say about him...................................

I didn't find any of it offensive, Alegrias. How can the truth cause offence?

Good post Algrias.

A man of remarkable gifts
Possibly all the right gifts
But not necessarily in the right order.

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What we need is a government staffed by representatives of the people rather than 'the party'
What we have now is fascism.

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Frankly if the government does back down over the hungry children, it will be all too late.

Everyone is now all too aware of their true instincts.

You need to watch spoken old documentaries about pre war Italy and Germany ClareAB , you would then see what facism really is and realise that is not what we have!!

..watch some.... not (spoken!)

Janpt I went to a school where we were taught that we had a christian duty to help all those who needed help. A teaching re-enforced at home by my parents, staunch Conservatives, both by word and example.

This what the welfare state does. I think you are very gullible in believing every thing you see on tv. If you listened to the radio more, try R4 and You and Yours, or Analysis, you would get a very different picture of the difficulties facing so many people.

Of course there is some fraud, show me a system for anything that is absolutely perfect, but I would prefer to tolerate a small number of false claims to ensure that everyone in need gets help.

More the sort of school where people were taught to take pride in their achievements and not to expect to live on government handouts. Can you name a school that teaches children to live on government handouts? I have no experience of, or have ever heard of such a school.

You are full of vague accusations but remarkably free of specific cases and evidence that these practices are common.

In all my years as a teacher, I have never had experience of a school, which taught either right or left wing views. Any teacher doing that would be guilty of misconduct.
I find it a very strange comment to make.

What I do find amusing is yesterday, a poster accused the majority of posters of being right wing, then someone else came along later and accused the majority of being left wing.?

We should be able to express our views without fear of personal remarks being directed at us or of directing them at others.
When you resort to being offensive, you have lost the argument.

Marydoll

In all my years as a teacher, I have never had experience of a school, which taught either right or left wing views. Any teacher doing that would be guilty of misconduct.
I find it a very strange comment to make.

What I do find amusing is yesterday, a poster accused the majority of posters of being right wing, then someone else came along later and accused the majority of being left wing.?

We should be able to express our views without fear of personal remarks being directed at us or of directing them at others.
When you resort to being offensive, you have lost the argument.

I don't know where you found a poster accusing the majority of posters being right wing. This whole site is definitely left wing and only I and a few others are right wing. I would be interested to see who posted to the contrary.

I'm well known on this forum for my views on Brexits and I do despair that the Tories are hell bent on finishing the Brexit process no matter what. Brexit of any form is bad for Britain but just how bad we will not know until next year.

They have not handled Covid well though to be fair it was not of their making. Patchy adherrance to scientific advice and an insistence on subcontracting to dubious third parties has made matters worse than they would have been had common sense prevailed.

What really makes me concerned is the influence of the right way faction and their hold over parliament. The likes of Dominic Cummings should have no place in government. The subservience of sections of the media has kept much of the population unaware of the true state of our democracy.

The vote.leave cabale never expected to win in June 2016, back then we believed a second referendum or other rethink would have restored sanity. However despite mass protests and 2 general elections the fall into anarchy has not been stopped. I fear that next year we may see riots and civil unrest which could force a coup of some kind.

We all know where the fault lies. A flawed electoral system, a lack of political education, poor leadership of the main political parties since before 2010 have all led to us into sleeping into the current situation. This has allowed criminal vested interests to take control, lying by politicians to become more blatant and regarded as normal. Apathy rules and trust has been destroyed.

We do need a change in attitude by politicians but will a new broom be any better? There are some good Tories and able people in other parties; those with conscience have been hounded out by extremes of left and right. The referendum opened the gates to the present crop tax dodging oligarch backed bunch of crooks, they have been unmasked but getting rid of them and holding them to account is no nearer.

A revolution will happen but when and how remains to be seen. If Trump loses that will help to foster a positive change here and even start to put Putin and other power grabbing dictators into touch.

Yes the result of the American election will be very important for the way things go over here.