We need a coup

Oh and Janpt if you consider supporting Angela Rayner a left wing act, then so be it. She is a woman to be admired, as a child she was a carer with a mother with serious mental illness so she knows what she is talking about in the area of childhood poverty, more than you evidently do with your snarky unfounded and ignorant comments there is no need for children to go hungry so long as parents use the benefits for what they are intended and not spent on cigarettes and drink. When you see someone having a cigarette do you ask if they are on benefits? I don't expect you do actually know anyone on 'their uppers' because if you did, you wouldn't be so ill-informed.

GrannyGravy13

Janpt I apologise if this seems harsh........ but you have no flipping idea what it is like to be poor in 2020!!!!

I agree but as I have said before some people do not make things easier for themselves by wasting benefite

I share your frustration Gagajo, not just with the blatant corruption going on in full view, but with those who doen't seem to find it a problem. I give you Anna Soubray today on Twitter:
I feel the need to apologise for a party I was once very proud to be a member of. The Conservative Party has lost its moral compass, is run by people who lie as easily as they take breath & which is turning our great country into a dishonourable international laughing stock

Anyone who isn't concerned about the corruption, blatant cronyism and disregard for the rule of law hasn't got a grasp of what a democratic country should be like. Listening to that pompous fat bastard Soames lying about defending the performance of Serco in the abysmal Track and Trace, then throwing red herrings about, accusing the Labour MP ( a GP) on the programe of being a member of a party of ant-vaxxers left me open mouthed. I am angry that more people are not angry. I don't support anarchy, but surely even just writing repeatedly to your MP to register your anger is worth the effort? It is notable that our local Tory MP, who voted against feeding children over the school holidays is being repeatedly slated on local FB pages, it doesn't mean much individually, but if everyone keeps on emailing or writing to their MP, it must eventually dawn on them that what they are doing is not popular. If of course, you don't have a problem with the corruption, breaking the law, bringing the country into disrepute then frankly you need to have a good look at yourself for this goes beyond political party.

Janpt I apologise if this seems harsh........ but you have no flipping idea what it is like to be poor in 2020!!!!

GrannyGravy13

Janpt I am a Conservative, Covid-19 has caused unprecedented hardship for thousands of families, they need help now!

Children going hungry should not be a political pawn!!

I agree but as I have said before there is no need for children to go hungry so long as parents use the benefits for what they are intended and not spent on cigarettes and drink.

EllanVannin

The current crisis would test the mettle of anyone as who'd have thought we were going to have a pandemic on top of the nonsensical Brexit as well ?
I admit that the government have gone the wrong way about things concerning the handling of this virus and should have followed what they did in China where it began and where their population is greater than ours.

In China, they physically went from door to door, prompted aggressive quarantining and authoritarian measures to stem the virus but it paid off. Would the UK stand for this kind of treatment ? Not to mention what happened to those who broke the law there !

In China they put iron doors over the front door of thousands of flats so that they couldn't get out!

Funny how they had thousands of doors ready made for the event? The poor people were shouting out of their windows - one was saying that she was locked in with someone dying and couldn't get out!! Lets hope they also fed these people?? That is possibly why their numbers suddenly went up - they collected the dead from the flats when it subsided??

Janpt I am a Conservative, Covid-19 has caused unprecedented hardship for thousands of families, they need help now!

Children going hungry should not be a political pawn!!

Whitewavemark2

janpt thank you for confirming my suspicion.

I suspect that there are fewer supporting your opinion than you might like to think.

I don't expect much support on here. The whole site is so left wing. You even support one of your own, Angela Rayner and her disgusting behaviour and language. She is unfit to hold office.

petra

biba70
our parliamentary democracy Its not your Parliament.
When did you last live in the uk.

Amazing that Gaga's post is deleted- whereas this is allowed to stand. It is not rude Gaga- it is sheer racism and discriminatory. I am British, so is my OH, and all my family. So yes, ours.

The petition to stop funding MPs food and alcohol is flying!

Looking at Marcus Rashford's Twitter account, Johnson might well go down in history as the "lunch muncher" (like Thatcher the milk snatcher).

Virtue signalling par excellence.

It must be amazing to be perfect...

Janpt "I speak as someone who thought about any decisions we made and as a result we are fortunate just now not to have the problems you mention. I realize that that may not always be the case but hope we have covered most situations you mention although many no longer apply."

Virtue signalling par excellence.

janpt thank you for confirming my suspicion.

I suspect that there are fewer supporting your opinion than you might like to think.

Whitewavemark2

Janpt

Whitewavemark2

Janpt

To all on here who are outraged at what I have said about people who cannot afford to feed their children. You have missed the point which is do not bring children into the world unless you can afford to feed them without the help of benefits. I am an only child because my parents took that decision so perhaps you can understand why I get so angry when I see people with large families claiming benefits and wanting bigger council houses to accommodate them.

Only someone who has no understanding would make the remark you did.

I reiterate what I have posted on another thread.

Anyone who is prepared to punish a child and stand by whilst they go hungry, because you don’t approve of their parents is without compassion and empathy of any kind.

What a stupid remark. Of course I am not advocating children going hungry. As I have already said people should think whether they could afford to bring another child into the world but instead they just go ahead assuming the government will pay up as usual.

Evidence? Because without that your remarks are just opinion.

To which I am entitled and I'm sure many others share.

Thought this funny

Janpt

growstuff

I speak as someone who also thought about any decisions I made, but as a result of a number of circumstances out of my direct control, experienced (and still do experience) problems you obviously consider I deserve.

I have not said anywhere that I consider you deserve the problems you have experienced. I have just re read my post and am sorry that the tone showed a lack of understanding of your circumstances.

My point was that many other people need help in the form of benefits and/or free school meals at some point in their lives. Unfortunately, I'm one of them, but only one. That's why we have a National Insurance system. If do some research, you'll find that the benefits in the UK are considerably less generous than those in many other developed European countries.

I just knew you'd come back at me and write that Maizie and, of course, you're right. However, Sunak and Johnson would have to "sell" the idea to "traditional" shire Tories, who don't have a clue about MMT.

I'm cynical about whether the Conservatives had any intention of investing in the "red wall" constituencies anyway, so the "purse is empty" argument would be a good one.

Most of the "red wall" constituencies voted for Brexit, but that will be "done" on 1st January. We'll just have to live with the consequences after that. Every article I've read has claimed that the North East and Midlands (where many of the red wall constituencies are) will end up being worse affected than anywhere else. By the next election, getting Brexit done won't be an immediate issue and people will look at what the Conservatives have done for them and could very well return to Labour, especially if this government carries on like it is. Four years is a long time. Who knows what will happen?

growstuff

I speak as someone who also thought about any decisions I made, but as a result of a number of circumstances out of my direct control, experienced (and still do experience) problems you obviously consider I deserve.

I have not said anywhere that I consider you deserve the problems you have experienced. I have just re read my post and am sorry that the tone showed a lack of understanding of your circumstances.

His twitter feed is making me smile every time I look. It's quite easy to become disillusioned but just looking at all those people who have empathy for those children its heartening.

I speak as someone who also thought about any decisions I made, but as a result of a number of circumstances out of my direct control, experienced (and still do experience) problems you obviously consider I deserve.

Agreed Galaxy

Exactly growstuff I think this is uniting the general public from all political persuasions.

Even if you put morality aside, this is a spectacular lack of judgement from the government, it's so damaging politically, have people seen the response to Marcus Rashford on twitter for example, he looks like a hero and is galvinising the entire country.

Elegran

JanPT Presumably you and your partner don't see any prospect right now of losing your income and using up all your savings, so you and your children (if you have any still dependent on you) are safe. You have enough, though not enough to waste your money.

Use your imagination. Next week the firms you work for could go bust. Your home could develop some very expensive problem which has to be fixed, but which doesn't come under your home insurance. You receive no more than the statutory minimum compensation from your bankrupt employers, so after using that up, you have to live on your savings. You cut down all your expenses, and try to find other jobs, without success. You get ill and are hospitalised, so cant earn anyway, and your partner runs off with a younger woman.

Benefits are your only source of income, for yourself AND for your children.

I speak as someone who thought about any decisions we made and as a result we are fortunate just now not to have the problems you mention. I realize that that may not always be the case but hope we have covered most situations you mention although many no longer apply.