We need a coup

growstuff I am not on Facebook, will get DD to bring it up so I can have a look.

It’s not the best time to be a Conservative that’s for sure. I think that the current cohort think
that they can do what they like due to being in power so long.

(Westminster Elects have them on a 6 point lead over Labour which I find unbelievable)

I heard she roundly condemned this government for not providing poor children with free school meals along with Marcus Rashford both had unsettled childhoods where Angela became a child carer and Marcus moved out from his single mothers house to another to have a better chance in life.

You can't compare Labour Janpt with this criminal behaving Government in my opinion

GrannyGravy13

growstuff I am not on Facebook, will get DD to bring it up so I can have a look.

It’s not the best time to be a Conservative that’s for sure. I think that the current cohort think
that they can do what they like due to being in power so long.

(Westminster Elects have them on a 6 point lead over Labour which I find unbelievable)

Well, we kicked the Conservative district council out last time, which gave them a kick up the backsides. I can't see our MP losing much of her huge majority though.

I don't understand the 6 point lead either.

It crossed my mind a few weeks ago when I read about armed forces redundancies that they could have sorted out procurement and test/trace more efficiently than the current mob.
They probably would, growstuff although procurement has not been one of their finest departments over the years!

They certainly helped to build the Nightingale Hospitals speedily enough so why aren't they called in now to staff them and relieve the pressure on NHS ICUs?

Grany

I heard she roundly condemned this government for not providing poor children with free school meals along with Marcus Rashford both had unsettled childhoods where Angela became a child carer and Marcus moved out from his single mothers house to another to have a better chance in life.

You can't compare Labour Janpt with this criminal behaving Government in my opinion

She apparently called somebody "scum" in a barracking. I listened to the recording and couldn't hear it, but she apologised, so presumably she did.

I don't condone it, but there has been far worse said in the HOC. Some of the speeches Tories made about their reasons for not voting for free school meals would have driven a saint to swear.

GagaJo. You advocate law-breaking to get rid of law-breakers! Violence as a "cure"!

We still have enough laws and procedures to "get rid" of criminals at any level without resorting to committing crimes in achieving it. If it is done outside of the law, there will always be a question mark over their successors and an excuse to break any laws that they made. There would be a a precedent set which would be taken advantage of by those who wanted to get rid of that executive/administration without an election.

We left behind rule by violence centuries ago. It was a difficult and long-drawn-out process and could cost us more centuries of civil unrest to have to do it all over again.

GagaJo

Janpt

I see that you have all ignored the disgusting behaviour of the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party Angela Rayner. What an example she sets. Does she make you proud to support the Labour Party ?

Can you not put aside party politics for now? The LP are not the ones supposed to be leading us through this crisis. I would go as far as to say they are irrelevant.

Well said. I agree and will continue to be so long as they have someone like Angela Rayner as Deputy Leader.

Somebody said earlier that we're not a banana republic, but we are becoming very close to becoming one because of the actions of this government.

They have no respect for the Rule of Law, they are trying to legislate away Parliamentary scrutiny and judicial review of the legality of government actions.

They are ignoring procurement procedures, not only by handing out contracts with no tendering process but also not abiding by the requirements to disclose the details of contracts within 30 days. If these aren't banana republic proceedings then what are they?

And with all that in mind, MOnica I think they have forfeited any right to be called democratic.

The Welsh government has announced plans to provide free school meals for all school holidays up to and including Easter 2021.

The (Welsh) government will spend £11 million to make sure free school meals are provided during every school holiday. More than 75,000 pupils aged between five and 15 from are eligible for free school meals across Wales. The plan will also aim to help younger children who attend nursery for full days and sixth form pupils.

So how come Welsh MPs were allowed to vote and help turn down proposals for English children to receive free meals in school holidays?

If the OP started this thread in any seriousness ( surely not!)
Then it will be the worst political thread ever on GN.
We do things by the ballot box here, not by any other means.

We could put The Admiral in charge, lemongrove

Yes, he would soon get things ship shape and Bristol fashion.

I agree with others that there won't be a coup in the accepted sense.

However, I do think that after 1 January, the politics in the country is going to change. People are going to be living with the reality of Brexit and I think it will depend on how things work out, especially in the former Labour heartlands. If they don't get what they were promised, there could be some very unhappy people - and some MPs who could see their seats returning to Labour. The trouble is that many of those "new" MPs are hard right UKIP wannabes and I wouldn't want them setting the agenda.

I think 2022 is going to be quite interesting and I doubt very much if the same Conservative front bench will be in charge.

lemongrove

If the OP started this thread in any seriousness ( surely not!)
Then it will be the worst political thread ever on GN.
We do things by the ballot box here, not by any other means.

No we don't lemongrove. Currently we have an unelected man leading us. No ballot voted him in.

And I beg to differ about the worst thread. I had a look at some of the old political threads yesterday.

And frankly, I do think we should be thinking about how to get some of the worst offenders out. They're going to bankrupt Britain, not to mention kill off another 50k or so of us over the winter.

It's not an unusual situation, Gagajo, in fact more the norm than not.
fullfact.org/news/unelected-prime-ministers-common-or-not

Gagajo I assume you are referring to
Dominic Cummings who is a SPAD as the unelected leader? All PMs have had SPADS I cannot remember voting for Alastair Campbell!

Boris Johnson was voted as leader of the Conservative party by MPs and Conservative party members, he then went on to win the general election with an eighty seat majority.

He was an unelected PM at first, Gagajo, before the last GE. He was endorsed by those who voted for the Tories in December 2019.

I didn't vote ! It was too cold to go out.

Tut tut, you'll get blamed now on the threads, EllanVannin! It'll all be your fault
?

So does no-one, apart from me, think that the government is itself attempting to subvert democracy by putting itself above Parliament and the Law?

I think that is a coup in itself.

Is that what people voted for?

Two points Maizie-

I am sure that very many, perhaps most of the folk who voted Conservative in 2019, did not vote for our democracy to be subverted.

Let us all remind ourselves that the majority of those who voted in the 2019 GE actually voted AGAINST this Vote Leave government and its leader Dominic Cummings was never elected by anyone,

Wouldn't it be just great if we lived in a democratic country?

Absolutely agree with you, varian

And I think that anyone who believes that Cummings is in any way like a normal SPAD is deluding themselves. Campbell wasn't pulling Blair's strings.

Couldn't agree more on both points MaizieD.

They do whatever the hell benefits themselves and their mates and they are happy to watch the rest of us die of covid (the elderly) or starve (poor children).

And exactly right, re: Cummings. I said on results day and I restate, he is a modern day Rasputin. Brain dead Boris is controlled by him. Can't function without him. Cummings is unsackable. So... a coup.

Gaga Prone to exaggeration much?!
Suggesting a coup is batty thinking.

I read the OP as tongue in cheek desperation. Apologies for so misreading Gaga's post.

MaizieD and varian, many thanks for bringing a note of reality to this discussion. Your'e right, there has been something of a silent coup, in plain sight. The majority voted against this government in 2019 and no one voted Demonic in as PM, yet there he is. Whoever said upthread that Alistair Campbell wasn't bullying Blair's strings is spot on.

Janpt, I assume by referring to Angela Raynor's "disgusting behaviour", you're referring to her muttering "scum" at a tory who was setting out all the reasons this country shouldn't feed its poorest, hungriest and most deprived children during the school holidays. this, despite the fact the qualify for free school meals.

Angela Raynor apologised. That's more than any of the government has done, even when forced by Marcus Rashford, a footballer - into a Uturn on its earlier refusal to provide food for children who would usually get a free school meal.
Angela Raynor wrote a moving article in which she said she was that child, the one whose only meal was the school dinner a food was a rare commodity in her home. She confirmed research that shows hungry children struggle to learn "I was that child" she said.
Marcus Rashford's mum had several jobs so she could feed and care for her children. She reluctantly agreed with MUFC that Marcus aged 11 should live with one of the clubs families. He needed building up, needed a better diet than she could afford.
I simply do not understand how anyone can describe Raynor as "disgusting". You go on to say "what an example she sets. Does she make you proud to support the Labour Party". My simple answer is yes, she does. She credits Labour policies like Sure Start, education for Union members and representatives in helping her build a good life, rather than continuing the cycle of deprivation that should could have been destined to.
Angela wasn't my favourite Labour politician but all credit to her. She's a much better politician than the men opposite.