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We need a coup

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GagaJo Thu 22-Oct-20 13:52:01

Whether it is an internal Tory overthrow or another political group, we need the current criminal incompetents removed from power. They are willfully causing needless C19 deaths and in-full-view pocketing tax payer money with only the flimsiest of attempts to pretend they're not.

I'm no Tory (god forbid) but bloody hell, what we need now is a Margaret Thatcher to sort this unholy mess Boris and his buddies are making.

Riverwalk Thu 22-Oct-20 18:58:10

Unless I've missed it, Gaga didn't suggest a military coup d'etat!

We'll leave that to the right wing - who planned to overthrow the Wilson government by such means.

GagaJo Thu 22-Oct-20 19:11:31

lemongrove

Gaga Prone to exaggeration much?!
Suggesting a coup is batty thinking.

As batty as letting tens of thousands die while you trouser the money supposed to be spent on saving them?

You have funny priorities.

GagaJo Thu 22-Oct-20 19:13:44

And so well put Iam64!

lemongrove Thu 22-Oct-20 19:15:47

Wishing for a coup ( internal or external) is one thing, but as it’s whistling in the wind, what more can be said than wait four years and vote for a different Party.
Regarding Cummings, he may choose to move on by next year ( I thought he would leave after Brexit) so maybe by Spring anyway. I think posters assign too much power to him anyway ....political aides advise but the power lies with the Cabinet as well as the PM.

lemongrove Thu 22-Oct-20 19:21:38

Actually, my priorities are to my immediate family, I try not to let my imagination run away with me on politics, all administrations do things wrongly at times, every single one of them.

GagaJo Thu 22-Oct-20 19:25:55

Quite. But letting 50,000 people die isn't imaginary. And neither is round two which is about to reoccur. OR stealing the money for theirs care and protection.

growstuff Thu 22-Oct-20 19:28:34

So the MP who now votes by proxy was bluffing, when he threatened that Cummings would sort out the head of our armed forces? hmm

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tMdGIinGE0

GagaJo Thu 22-Oct-20 19:30:13

Apologies for the grammatical issues in my last post. Not for the content of course...

biba70 Thu 22-Oct-20 19:32:21

Jane10 ''Election will come round again.'' - witnessing the massive damage to the country, and to our Parliamentary Democracy in such a short time - I just cannot bear to imagine what will happen in the meantime. Remind us, please, when will the next election be??? Will the country, the Union - still exist by then in the form we have known it for 100s of years?

Callistemon Thu 22-Oct-20 19:38:10

Can anyone tell me why Welsh MPs were allowed to vote on the free meals for English children?

If they had any decency they could at least have abstained.

lemsip Thu 22-Oct-20 19:40:26

lemongrove, I so agree with you!

GagaJo Thu 22-Oct-20 19:41:44

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sparklingsilver28 Thu 22-Oct-20 19:48:44

When I first read this I thought it a joke!

Be careful what you wish for when you suggest insurrection. The far right rising all over Europe and fascism and anarchy a real threat.

lemongrove Thu 22-Oct-20 19:56:07

Gaga Letting 50,000 people die? Letting? I sometimes can’t believe the stuff posters come out with on forums.

Sadly sparklingsilver it seems not meant as a joke ( but I thought the same as you.)

Callistemon Thu 22-Oct-20 20:00:26

Why do you not mention who or where was the cause of all this, Gagajo?

GagaJo Thu 22-Oct-20 20:22:20

Sorry Callistemon. Not with you?

M0nica Thu 22-Oct-20 20:22:28

Anyone who thinks a coup would make things better is off their trolley. Who would lead the coup. In this country certainly not the military, they have always been totally ininvolved in politics, and quite rightly.

The Corbynista Labour party? They have been rejected soundly.

One of the rightwing bully boy groups? They would be better than Boris?

I suggest that those who think the way forward is a coup tell us who would lead it, how it would be run and how we would return to Parliamentary democracy.

I am afraid this all looks to me like just more moaning from labour supporters who still haven't accepted the results of the last election.

MaizieD Thu 22-Oct-20 21:52:53

I am afraid this all looks to me like just more moaning from labour supporters who still haven't accepted the results of the last election.

I'm afraid you are wrong, MOnica. It's genuine concern from people who can see democracy being subverted by a government that has no intention of honouring our constitution and maintaining the rule of law and parliamentary sovereignty.

Complacency is not the best of moves in such a situation. That's how dictatorships take control.

GagaJo Thu 22-Oct-20 22:12:02

Exactly MaisieD. MOnica, it is hard to see how anyone could do a worse job, other than Trump.

Lavazza1st Thu 22-Oct-20 22:17:16

If you look at how many Thailand lost, it's a very small amount. But they were forced to wear masks, at gunpoint, temperature checked before going in shops etc.

This country is way behind. Should have dealt with it like some countries that are used to SARS.

Janpt Thu 22-Oct-20 22:24:00

Iam64

I read the OP as tongue in cheek desperation. Apologies for so misreading Gaga's post.

MaizieD and varian, many thanks for bringing a note of reality to this discussion. Your'e right, there has been something of a silent coup, in plain sight. The majority voted against this government in 2019 and no one voted Demonic in as PM, yet there he is. Whoever said upthread that Alistair Campbell wasn't bullying Blair's strings is spot on.

Janpt, I assume by referring to Angela Raynor's "disgusting behaviour", you're referring to her muttering "scum" at a tory who was setting out all the reasons this country shouldn't feed its poorest, hungriest and most deprived children during the school holidays. this, despite the fact the qualify for free school meals.

Angela Raynor apologised. That's more than any of the government has done, even when forced by Marcus Rashford, a footballer - into a Uturn on its earlier refusal to provide food for children who would usually get a free school meal.
Angela Raynor wrote a moving article in which she said she was that child, the one whose only meal was the school dinner a food was a rare commodity in her home. She confirmed research that shows hungry children struggle to learn "I was that child" she said.
Marcus Rashford's mum had several jobs so she could feed and care for her children. She reluctantly agreed with MUFC that Marcus aged 11 should live with one of the clubs families. He needed building up, needed a better diet than she could afford.
I simply do not understand how anyone can describe Raynor as "disgusting". You go on to say "what an example she sets. Does she make you proud to support the Labour Party". My simple answer is yes, she does. She credits Labour policies like Sure Start, education for Union members and representatives in helping her build a good life, rather than continuing the cycle of deprivation that should could have been destined to.
Angela wasn't my favourite Labour politician but all credit to her. She's a much better politician than the men opposite.

The fact is that there is no need for a child in this country to go hungry. There are enough benefits available for those who need them and use them for what they are intended i.e. not Cigarettes and drink. I cannot understand why people continue to have children they cannot afford to feed. I also do not understand how you feel that Angela Raynors behaviour was acceptable. The lady speaker obviously did not think so.

petra Thu 22-Oct-20 22:37:14

biba70
our parliamentary democracy Its not your Parliament.
When did you last live in the uk.

GagaJo Thu 22-Oct-20 22:38:55

Could you be any ruder Petra?

PinkCakes Thu 22-Oct-20 22:39:49

I've always voted Tory, but Boris Johnson has bumbled his way through all this - I admired him at the beginning but can't now - he's swapped and changed his mind about things.

Margaret Thatcher would have dealt with things so much better

GagaJo Thu 22-Oct-20 22:41:28

Pink cakes, I can't believe I agree with a Tory, but I do.