We need a coup

Janpt

To all on here who are outraged at what I have said about people who cannot afford to feed their children. You have missed the point which is do not bring children into the world unless you can afford to feed them without the help of benefits. I am an only child because my parents took that decision so perhaps you can understand why I get so angry when I see people with large families claiming benefits and wanting bigger council houses to accommodate them.

Only someone who has no understanding would make the remark you did.

I reiterate what I have posted on another thread.

Anyone who is prepared to punish a child and stand by whilst they go hungry, because you don’t approve of their parents is without compassion and empathy of any kind.

I would have been in favour of a govtmnt of national unity (or some such title) when first mooted months ago. Too late now.

I don't think that a government of national unity would have worked because I think Johnson/Cummings are on a power trip. Anybody else would have been passengers to legitimise whatever they wanted to do, just as the LibDems were in the coalition.

I'd be amazed if there's a coup, but I do think the situation is going to change after 1st January when Project Fear becomes Project Reality. People will begin to judge the government on their current situation, not on whether Brexit has been done.

The government has shown that there is a magic money tree, which it probably intended to spend on the regions in the "red wall" as a sweetener. However, Covid has changed all that because the tree really doesn't have many more fruits left.

I don't have a magic ball, but I think Conservative back benchers with small majorities will be getting nervous and looking for a more popular leader. Interestingly, most of them were parachuted in and don't have much talent, so I think there's going to be some internal Conservative strife between "traditional" Conservatives and the new ones.

Gagajo
How do we know that anybody have done any better.
This second wave has come when and where students have returned to Universities
It is not just that .
It is obvious that people are not abiding by the rules.
I walked down our high street on Monday and there was a group of males sitting round a small table outside a café chatting.
I dare say that this is going on up and down the Country.

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Whitewavemark2

Janpt

To all on here who are outraged at what I have said about people who cannot afford to feed their children. You have missed the point which is do not bring children into the world unless you can afford to feed them without the help of benefits. I am an only child because my parents took that decision so perhaps you can understand why I get so angry when I see people with large families claiming benefits and wanting bigger council houses to accommodate them.

Only someone who has no understanding would make the remark you did.

I reiterate what I have posted on another thread.

Anyone who is prepared to punish a child and stand by whilst they go hungry, because you don’t approve of their parents is without compassion and empathy of any kind.

What a stupid remark. Of course I am not advocating children going hungry. As I have already said people should think whether they could afford to bring another child into the world but instead they just go ahead assuming the government will pay up as usual.

Janpt

Whitewavemark2

Janpt

To all on here who are outraged at what I have said about people who cannot afford to feed their children. You have missed the point which is do not bring children into the world unless you can afford to feed them without the help of benefits. I am an only child because my parents took that decision so perhaps you can understand why I get so angry when I see people with large families claiming benefits and wanting bigger council houses to accommodate them.

Only someone who has no understanding would make the remark you did.

I reiterate what I have posted on another thread.

Anyone who is prepared to punish a child and stand by whilst they go hungry, because you don’t approve of their parents is without compassion and empathy of any kind.

What a stupid remark. Of course I am not advocating children going hungry. As I have already said people should think whether they could afford to bring another child into the world but instead they just go ahead assuming the government will pay up as usual.

Evidence? Because without that your remarks are just opinion.

JanPT Presumably you and your partner don't see any prospect right now of losing your income and using up all your savings, so you and your children (if you have any still dependent on you) are safe. You have enough, though not enough to waste your money.

Use your imagination. Next week the firms you work for could go bust. Your home could develop some very expensive problem which has to be fixed, but which doesn't come under your home insurance. You receive no more than the statutory minimum compensation from your bankrupt employers, so after using that up, you have to live on your savings. You cut down all your expenses, and try to find other jobs, without success. You get ill and are hospitalised, so cant earn anyway, and your partner runs off with a younger woman.

Benefits are your only source of income, for yourself AND for your children.

There appears to be a movement growing across England (not sure about the other UK Countries) whereby cafes/bistros /restaurants are offering free meals for children during half term.

A coffee/tea shop local to me has started a pay it forward scheme whereby you can donate extra on your bill and this will pay for a meal for someone in need.

The government has shown that there is a magic money tree, which it probably intended to spend on the regions in the "red wall" as a sweetener. However, Covid has changed all that because the tree really doesn't have many more fruits left.

I'd disagree with you there because the 'tree' has plenty of fruit left on it. Most of what the government spends into the real economy will come back to it via taxation. It's not disappearing into a big black hole, unlike the £billions going to private companies to swell their profits and the incomes of their shareholders. Not much return via tax there as companies manipulate their accounts and wealthy shareholders siphon off their wealth abroad.

The real truth is that the tories are ideologically opposed to spending on public services (note how the pandemic has afforded them huge opportunities for privatising health related services) and, although forced to do so they are determined to do as little as they can and are encouraging the notion that citizens will eventually have to 'pay for it'.
Even though they are 'borrowing' from no-one (QE in this instance is direct funding, not bond buybacks) and at no cost to the government.

Not much return via tax there as companies manipulate their accounts and wealthy shareholders siphon off their wealth abroad.

I should have said that there is a bit of trickle down as TTI is generating some employment, but it's not the same as directly financing public services when the profit is factored in.

There is a huge difference between families who have lost all or some of their income and the so called benefit scroungers which are happy to be filmed and go on to boast about playing the system .

Covid is going to leave a nasty scar worldwide not just on people’s health but taking away their future and their livelihoods. Governments worldwide need to open their wallets and provide support in these unprecedented times.

GrannyGravy13

There appears to be a movement growing across England (not sure about the other UK Countries) whereby cafes/bistros /restaurants are offering free meals for children during half term.

A coffee/tea shop local to me has started a pay it forward scheme whereby you can donate extra on your bill and this will pay for a meal for someone in need.

I think the government has scored a massive own goal. I think all the FSM children in this district will now be receiving lunches, thanks to the generosity of local people. I understand some local councils are paying for meals too. I hope that eventually none of the children will lose out.

Nevertheless, they shouldn't have had to rely on charity. The response shows that there is public support for free school meals to continue during the holidays, so the MPs who voted against it are out of touch.

My concern now is that this needs to go much further. There are many other children who aren't even eligible for FSM and food isn't the only thing these children lack.

Elegran

JanPT Presumably you and your partner don't see any prospect right now of losing your income and using up all your savings, so you and your children (if you have any still dependent on you) are safe. You have enough, though not enough to waste your money.

Use your imagination. Next week the firms you work for could go bust. Your home could develop some very expensive problem which has to be fixed, but which doesn't come under your home insurance. You receive no more than the statutory minimum compensation from your bankrupt employers, so after using that up, you have to live on your savings. You cut down all your expenses, and try to find other jobs, without success. You get ill and are hospitalised, so cant earn anyway, and your partner runs off with a younger woman.

Benefits are your only source of income, for yourself AND for your children.

I speak as someone who thought about any decisions we made and as a result we are fortunate just now not to have the problems you mention. I realize that that may not always be the case but hope we have covered most situations you mention although many no longer apply.

Even if you put morality aside, this is a spectacular lack of judgement from the government, it's so damaging politically, have people seen the response to Marcus Rashford on twitter for example, he looks like a hero and is galvinising the entire country.

Exactly growstuff I think this is uniting the general public from all political persuasions.

Agreed Galaxy

I speak as someone who also thought about any decisions I made, but as a result of a number of circumstances out of my direct control, experienced (and still do experience) problems you obviously consider I deserve.

His twitter feed is making me smile every time I look. It's quite easy to become disillusioned but just looking at all those people who have empathy for those children its heartening.

growstuff

I speak as someone who also thought about any decisions I made, but as a result of a number of circumstances out of my direct control, experienced (and still do experience) problems you obviously consider I deserve.

I have not said anywhere that I consider you deserve the problems you have experienced. I have just re read my post and am sorry that the tone showed a lack of understanding of your circumstances.

I just knew you'd come back at me and write that Maizie and, of course, you're right. However, Sunak and Johnson would have to "sell" the idea to "traditional" shire Tories, who don't have a clue about MMT.

I'm cynical about whether the Conservatives had any intention of investing in the "red wall" constituencies anyway, so the "purse is empty" argument would be a good one.

Most of the "red wall" constituencies voted for Brexit, but that will be "done" on 1st January. We'll just have to live with the consequences after that. Every article I've read has claimed that the North East and Midlands (where many of the red wall constituencies are) will end up being worse affected than anywhere else. By the next election, getting Brexit done won't be an immediate issue and people will look at what the Conservatives have done for them and could very well return to Labour, especially if this government carries on like it is. Four years is a long time. Who knows what will happen?

Janpt

growstuff

I speak as someone who also thought about any decisions I made, but as a result of a number of circumstances out of my direct control, experienced (and still do experience) problems you obviously consider I deserve.

I have not said anywhere that I consider you deserve the problems you have experienced. I have just re read my post and am sorry that the tone showed a lack of understanding of your circumstances.

My point was that many other people need help in the form of benefits and/or free school meals at some point in their lives. Unfortunately, I'm one of them, but only one. That's why we have a National Insurance system. If do some research, you'll find that the benefits in the UK are considerably less generous than those in many other developed European countries.

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Whitewavemark2

Janpt

Whitewavemark2

Janpt

To all on here who are outraged at what I have said about people who cannot afford to feed their children. You have missed the point which is do not bring children into the world unless you can afford to feed them without the help of benefits. I am an only child because my parents took that decision so perhaps you can understand why I get so angry when I see people with large families claiming benefits and wanting bigger council houses to accommodate them.

Only someone who has no understanding would make the remark you did.

I reiterate what I have posted on another thread.

Anyone who is prepared to punish a child and stand by whilst they go hungry, because you don’t approve of their parents is without compassion and empathy of any kind.

What a stupid remark. Of course I am not advocating children going hungry. As I have already said people should think whether they could afford to bring another child into the world but instead they just go ahead assuming the government will pay up as usual.

Evidence? Because without that your remarks are just opinion.

To which I am entitled and I'm sure many others share.

janpt thank you for confirming my suspicion.

I suspect that there are fewer supporting your opinion than you might like to think.

Janpt "I speak as someone who thought about any decisions we made and as a result we are fortunate just now not to have the problems you mention. I realize that that may not always be the case but hope we have covered most situations you mention although many no longer apply."

Virtue signalling par excellence.