We need a coup

Janpt

lemongrove

Perhaps the jumping on Janpt from a great height should now stop.....starting to look bullying.

Thanks for your support lemongrove. It doesn't bother me in the least. They just show themselves up for what they are. Typical left wing money grabbers who think there is a bottomless pit of money to be handed out to anyone who makes the wrong choice in life such as bringing into the world children they cannot afford to keep and just expect the tax payer to bring them up.

Do you mean like me because my children had free school meals Janpt?

I once worked out how much National Insurance I've paid since I was 18. Even without inflation, it would be enough to pay for all the NHS care, state pension and benefits I've ever received or am likely to receive. Did you know that 70% of the population benefit more from National Insurance than they ever contribute? Maybe you're one of them. Have you ever been a higher rate taxpayer?

I would appreciate an apology!

I don't know about you lemongrove, but the phrase 'typical left wing money grabbers' is in no way, shape or form polite. Not to mention vastly incorrect. I am left wing and never claimed a penny of state aid, and have paid huge amounts of UK tax and National Insurance, as have the other GN members I know on a more personal basis.

The money grabbers' are the right wing, corrupt politicians giving work to their mates. Mates with no ability, experience or means of production. A contract for ferries to a friend with... no bloody boats. Track and trace done on an Excel spreadsheet. Testing taken away from the NHS in the middle of a pandemic and given to companies incapable of handling tests in large numbers. We are talking millions of pounds of our tax payers money slipped into back pockets with nothing in return.

Let us not forget. We are not just talking corruption. We are talking thievery directly leading to the deaths of thousands of British citizens.

Janpt

GrannyGravy13

Janpt I apologise if this seems harsh........ but you have no flipping idea what it is like to be poor in 2020!!!!

I agree but as I have said before some people do not make things easier for themselves by wasting benefite

Do you stalk people? Do you know who receives benefits? Have you ever seen their bank accounts? Do you even know how little benefits are worth?

Analysis by the DWP shows that there has been a huge increase in the number of professionals/people with qualifications on middle incomes claiming UC. Many of them aren't even eligible.

Are they all typical left-wing money grabbers?

I suspect they've been paying taxes and NI for years, naively believing that the word "insurance" meant ... err ... insurance.

I note no reply to your request as to the contributions made by the individual pointing the finger at 'left wing money grabbers', growstuff.

GagaJo

I note no reply to your request as to the contributions made by the individual pointing the finger at 'left wing money grabbers', growstuff.

Of course there won't be. I sometimes wonder if people who come out with this kind of stuff realise how insulting (and wrong) they are. It's become normalised, so I think some people don't even notice it.

There might even be some Tory voters who suddenly find themselves having to turn to the state for help, and realising, rather late in the day, that folk claiming universal credit who are not lazy scroungers - they are people just like them.

I think some calming down is needed on here asap.

Janpt Being on benefits is not what most people plan and often poverty comes on them suddenly when unemployment arrives unexpectedly (like thata caused by COVID, or illness, deaath or other family tragedy. Usually the children have been at least, conceived, if not born, when times are good and the family feel secure, again it is another one of those urban myths you have so much trust in that anyone on benefits has made a career choice to live on benefits and is on them for years. Thankfully most people will not be on benefits for long may be months or a year and then they get back to work. The number of families or single parents having further children when on benefits is vanishingly small. Lone parents have the smallest families, the majority have only one child and very nearly 50% of all families have one child.

The worst poverty in this country is suffered by the working poor

lemongrove

I think some calming down is needed on here asap.

I think maybe some posters shouldn't be so insulting.

Good post MOnica.

lemongrove

I think some calming down is needed on here asap.

Don't make inflammatory statements about politeness then eye roll!

Lol, I'm not calling you eye roll. It was supposed to be in parentheses.

MOnica, good post at 18.07.
lemongrove, I considered whether some of us could be accused of 'bullying' Janpt because she has been on the receiving end of some heart felt responses to her critical, cold and judgemental comments about people on benefits. On reflection my view was that she keeps coming back, insisting that her pov is the correct one and accusing the majority here and indeed the entire forum of being left wing.
That is just not true. I haven't done a survey but, my experience over many years, is that the kind of general consensus seen here over the FSM issue is unusual. There are Conservative voters on this thread who disagree with the government's stand on this issue.

Funnily enough, many of us are often accused of not being left wing enough, or not at all, lol.

I'd say anyone who wants to protect kids living in poverty made so much worse by Covid, and this dreadful Government, is just and simply 'human'.

They just show themselves up for what they are. Typical left wing money grabbers. If I said that you have shown yourself up for what you are, typical right wing cold hearted and mean I expect you would go running to report me. The behaviour of this administration is repellent, the support of those who put them there is even more so.

@MOnica

I'd really appreciate it if we could pick up our discussion about parliament having faced worse in the past. You gave the Civil war and Cromwell as an example, but didn't go any further. Can explain the significance of this and what it made 'worse'?

Felt I must say that there was no intention whatsoever in my post to bully .anyone and I am sorry if it gave that impression.

Janpt

GrannyGravy13

Janpt I apologise if this seems harsh........ but you have no flipping idea what it is like to be poor in 2020!!!!

I agree but as I have said before some people do not make things easier for themselves by wasting benefite

I get £74.45 as that is what the Govt thinks I am entitled to - with an extra bit for being disabled - comes out as £108 a week.

My mortgage is £80 a week, but if I rented (would need to be privately as there are no houses spare in my area, it would cost me £1000 per month, so the state would be paying that once my equity had dwindled fast!)

Just how do people manage on that? I don't put the heating on, I don't buy much food, can't afford to have my hair done or my diabetic feet, my family had to buy my new glasses and there will be no new teeth final ones went during covid and I cannot afford to pay for them, so live on liquids basically - going out for a coffee and a bun is not affordable, so no hobbies leisure or entertainment - my TV is a 36" old one but it works. Living on benefits is no life let me tell you, it is barely an existence!!

westendgirl and anyone else.....I don’t think the intention was there ( any bullying) by anyone, but when there are pages of posters piling it onto one poster about one comment, then it just starts to look bad IMHO.

MadeInYorkshire have you tried to get help for your feet (diabetes) teeth and glasses? If you have no savings then you are on the lowest income and as a pensioner could be entitled to these items on health grounds.

Made in Yorkshire, sorry you’re on such a tight budget. Thanks for telling it like it is for people in your situation x

MadeinYorkshire
It is worth enquiring about Pension Credit, if entitled you should be able to access other benefits.
www.gov.uk/pension-credit

MadeinYorkshire I doubt if you are eligible for any help with your diabetic feet. I know I'm not, but your health authority might be more generous than mine and it depends what's actually wrong with them.

You should apply to the NHS for a low income certificate, (Google it) which might pay for your teeth and provide a voucher for NHS glasses. My income is slightly higher than yours, although my rent is much higher than your mortgage and I know I'm not eligible, but you just might be.

I'm afraid there's no help for haircuts. I haven't had mine cut since before last Christmas and I just tie it back now and cut my own fringe.

Callistemon

MadeinYorkshire
It is worth enquiring about Pension Credit, if entitled you should be able to access other benefits.
www.gov.uk/pension-credit

From the figures MiY gave, I doubt if she's of pensionable age.