Scottish independence, English me would like to understand

Whether we gain Independence or not NO ONE especially not a tory government that we didn't vote for has the right to tell us we're not ALLOWED a vote .As one of only Two signatories to the TREATY of union we should be able to decide for ourselves it WAS a "treaty" we signed ..not a deed of ownership...though sometimes I do wonder what England thought it had signed .

Hiraeth is a wonderful Welsh word describing the feeling of longing or yearning for home. As in ‘we’ll kiss away each hour of hiraeth til you come home again to Wales’. There is no English equivalent, is there a Scottish word?

A federal UK is not enough for me, although it might have been once. I think once you get the idea of independence there's no going back. I'd like Scotland to be represented on the international stage, I'd like us to make our own decisions about defence, and border control, and immigration. And just everything, really.

Fair enough Alegrias can’t really argue with your well articulated thoughts.

Laura

Can't think of an equivalent of hiraeth but I'll let you know if I come up with something!

Riverwalk

Thank you for your explanation Callistemon

Riverwalk there is usually an option to be able to listen to the instructions in English (I have sussed it now) but for elderly and possibly confused people, Welsh being the majority, it's not easy.

I am very much for the preservation of ancient languages (in fact, I've just been discussing the Rosetta Stone with DD online) but when the lingua franca is English then many people are getting cross and frustrated.

My friend who was upset because she couldn't cancel her appointment is Scottish btw.

I think a federal UK was mooted because it would be easier for the EU to administer.

I’d like to look at each of Callistemon’s points in turn because its almost a masterclass in how the desire for independence is misunderstood by a lot of people.

Oh dear, Alegrias - only almost a masterclass

I failed

I'd hate to see you go!

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Time for a wee dram and The Masked Singer.

Your reluctance to share to your location is fine and reasonable, Summerlove but, for some reason, I too thought you were located in North America. I could be wrong, of course.

The Europeans also suppressed use of indigenous American languages, establishing their own languages for official communications, destroying texts in other languages, and insisting that indigenous people learn European languages in schools. As a result, indigenous American languages suffered from cultural suppression and loss of speakers. By the 18th and 19th centuries, Spanish, English, Portuguese, French, and Dutch, brought to the Americas by European settlers and administrators, had become the official or national languages of modern nation-states of the Americas.

I do hope you are promoting the resurgence of indigenous American languages, Summerlove.

I am attempting to learn Welsh.

If I may, there is no word which means the same Hiraeth , it means more than homesickness

Laura I was making the point that many English people refer to her as queen of England as do most Americans and many Australians. Not very inclusive

I can honestly say I’ve never heard an English person refer to HM as ‘the Queen of England’.
Why would they? She’s just the Queen.

I have heard Americans refer to her in that way, but English people can hardly be blamed for that.

You’re right JaneAinsworth I do only know two English people, same family, who have said this but several Americans and a few Australians. Still causes resentment. We had Australian friends staying with us in Anglesey who told friends on the phone that they were staying with friends in England!

Yes, Wales is in England.

It certainly does Anniebach, beautiful word.

Callistemon

Yes, Wales is in England.

.......or very close by ?

I think Scotland should be allowed a referendum. Those who live in Scotland should be allowed to vote.
I’m not sure about those who are full time residents in other areas of the UK. They would be voting for something that doesn't directly affect them, and then there would be endless rows about ‘Scotland won independence thanks to non residents’ and ‘Scotland lost the referendum because of non-residents.’
I’d be interested to know what Scots residents and non-residents think about the right to vote.

I so remember being in Moorfields Eye Hospital on a St.David’s Day, naturally wearing a Daff, someone said
‘They want home rule but still want to use our hospitals, they
should bugger off back to taffy world’

My grandchildren do not have the feelings for the English which I did in my 20’s, thank heaven

I really hope Scotland stays in the union. I am Welsh, but hate all this devolved stuff. I much prefer to be one country. I'm also a remainer. I never wanted to leave Europe. I believe we're stronger all together. And don't get me started on Nicola Sturgeon bringing up Scottish independence at a time like this.

There are problems with both scenarios Molly I have friends who live abroad who dont want Independnece because they want Scotland to "be the same when /if they decide to come home * I also have friends living overseas who think the opposite .One friend in Spain is concerned his PENSION will be lost if we get Independence ,his sons who still live here are both members of the SNP.As someone up thread said though its NOT about the SNP .they are the vehicle to get us over the line and they have worked their socks off over the past two decades to make it not just possible but probable.Its bigger than one person or one party ,when we do get our country back in our control there will I'm sure be Scottish Labour and Conservatives etc.Its a country that has people of all parties and none so that wont change.The big difference being when it says Scottish Labour it will be ...not registered and run from London but Scottish working FOR us not against us .
We're not bu any means odd ...there are many countries who "left the broad shoulders of the UK ( DAVID CAMERON SPEAK) And NONE of them have ever come crawling back because it went wrong .Wont be any different for us...well it might because independence isn't NEW its something we we've had before ...before we were sold for English gold

That was awful Anniebach, the sort of brainless nonsense that causes disharmony.

I dont post much here, at all, I am a lurker ?
But, and sorry - this is going to be hard to follow (G&Ts have been taken), these sort of posts really upset me.
Am I weird, and alone, and also basically stupid when I say that to me, we are one country? England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland?
I know that people are disillusioned. I am. So, can the North East of England ( say from York to Berwick) have a vote for independence? Because we get as much attention and care as Scotland or Wales do. I would hazard a guess that goes for Cornwell and Kendal too.
Anywhere outside of London feels neglected.
London probably does too ?
We are one country. We should be supporting each other, not ripping bits out of each other.
There are loads I admire from all around the regions.
I actually think Nichola Sturgeon is fab - so shoot me.
I admire the Welsh government for their stance on covid and school reopenings.
Northern Ireland is cr*pped on from a great height continuously, yet continues to be a wonderful, welcoming community.
England is disparate. Just as much
as the other nations. We all think we are neglected, underfunded, ignored.
We are being driven apart at the very time we should be drawing together.
I wonder why? And who is orchestrating this, well, almost dislike of each other?
This discomfort is being fostered, it is not intrinsic. We all need to be pulling together, not pulling apart.