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Flying the flag

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varian Sat 20-Mar-21 13:51:47

Does the display of union jacks by politicians making video calls from their homes not just appear ridiculous, but a tad sinister?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/19/flag-of-convenience-why-ministers-cant-get-enough-of-the-union-jack

GagaJo Sat 20-Mar-21 20:00:19

vegansrock

A flag is a bit of cloth. Why imbue it with some sacred significance. It’s like a football shirt I suppose.

Exactly. And we know the tribalism surrounding football.

Callistemon Sat 20-Mar-21 20:02:49

The Welsh first minister always appears with a flag.

But it doesn't make him any more authoritative [sigh]

Casdon Sat 20-Mar-21 20:03:32

Callistemon Quite! I don’t think GagaJo’s prediction will be coming true, forcing us to display only the union flag somehow, that would be more likely to alienate Wales than virtually any other action.
Anyway, Come On Wales, the rugby’s started and the flags are waving in my house.

Callistemon Sat 20-Mar-21 20:05:48

Lucca

Has anyone here got a flag in their living room?

We're surrounded.
Union flag, Welsh Flag, Australian flag, the Saltire (DH has some Scottish blood), the Tricolore and we did have the flag of St George over the mantepiece until they lost this afternoon and we binned it.

Mamardoit Sat 20-Mar-21 20:05:50

Callistemon

Casdon

Also of course, Wales isn’t represented on the union flag. Marmadoit, not important enough?

Too important, Casdon!

I would certainly have made space for the dragon if I had had any say in the design.

The Welsh flag is the best flag by far. The Union flag is probably in second place. Blue and yellow is fine for IKEA but not really suitable for a flag.

Alegrias1 Sat 20-Mar-21 20:06:06

Wow, you've all worked yourselves into a frenzy because a (male) BBC presenter had a joke with a government minister over the size of the flag in the corner of his living room. Then another presenter joined in.

And no, she didn't use the term "flag-shaggers" but now that you've said it Mamardoit I guess a good proportion of people on GN will believe that.

As for making the flag compulsory in classrooms and on the BBC - well what I want to say about that would get me banned from GN. We're not a totalitarian state yet. But don't worry about the defacing of statues - you'll get a longer sentence for that than for raping someone.

Grany Sat 20-Mar-21 20:15:56

Alegrias1

Wow, you've all worked yourselves into a frenzy because a (male) BBC presenter had a joke with a government minister over the size of the flag in the corner of his living room. Then another presenter joined in.

And no, she didn't use the term "flag-shaggers" but now that you've said it Mamardoit I guess a good proportion of people on GN will believe that.

As for making the flag compulsory in classrooms and on the BBC - well what I want to say about that would get me banned from GN. We're not a totalitarian state yet. But don't worry about the defacing of statues - you'll get a longer sentence for that than for raping someone.

Well Said Alegrias1

Callistemon Sat 20-Mar-21 20:16:45

Wow, you've all worked yourselves into a frenzy because a (male) BBC presenter had a joke with a government minister

Algerias No, it's the rugby which as done that!

Callistemon Sat 20-Mar-21 20:17:00

Has?

Grany Sat 20-Mar-21 20:17:14

varian

Does the display of union jacks by politicians making video calls from their homes not just appear ridiculous, but a tad sinister?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/19/flag-of-convenience-why-ministers-cant-get-enough-of-the-union-jack

Agree, yes varian it all gone crazy.

Alegrias1 Sat 20-Mar-21 20:19:29

Blue and yellow is fine for IKEA but not really suitable for a flag.

The Swedes might beg to differ.

As for the rugby, I'm saying nothing.....

MaizieD Sat 20-Mar-21 20:24:29

Urmstongran

Having left the EU, it it time to rebuild being British, and make the use of the Union Jack mandatory in class rooms and public buildings, this would teach children the importance of patriotism and loyalty to ones Country.
??

The BBC should also be forced to use it in newsrooms.

It is time for politicians to ensure the woke PC left do not get the upper hand in this invented culture war.

It must also be made a crime to deface or remove statues.

Good God, Ug!

And you think that I'm being absurd to use the word fascist...

What a load of absolute twaddle.

growstuff Sat 20-Mar-21 20:27:26

Flags are more than bits of cloth. They are very powerful symbols. The message behind them matters. In this case, they're being used in the Tories' culture war as a distraction to what's really going on.

growstuff Sat 20-Mar-21 20:29:46

Who do you think invented the culture war Urmstongran? It wasn't the "woke" who invented it. It was those who don't like what the so-called "woke" or their cousins the "PC brigade" represent because it threatens them. And you've fallen for it, hook, line and sinker.

MaizieD Sat 20-Mar-21 20:30:16

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD so if the Government was your choice you would be OK with them having the Union Flag in the background?

How odd ? I respect our flag and I am proud to be British whatever party is in power ?????????

No, I wouldn't, GG13

BECAUSE THIS IS NOT WHAT THE BRITISH DO. WE DO NOT POSTURE IN FRONT OF UNION JACKS

I cannot respect a flag that is being used in a fascist way by a totally corrupt government.

I can assure you that I would never vote for a party which explicitly stated in its manifesto that it was planning to become a dictatorship. That's exactly what the tories did.

growstuff Sat 20-Mar-21 20:31:03

Urmstongran You really should spend some time studying history. What you've written is truly frightening.

Mamardoit Sat 20-Mar-21 20:31:47

Alegrias1

Wow, you've all worked yourselves into a frenzy because a (male) BBC presenter had a joke with a government minister over the size of the flag in the corner of his living room. Then another presenter joined in.

And no, she didn't use the term "flag-shaggers" but now that you've said it Mamardoit I guess a good proportion of people on GN will believe that.

As for making the flag compulsory in classrooms and on the BBC - well what I want to say about that would get me banned from GN. We're not a totalitarian state yet. But don't worry about the defacing of statues - you'll get a longer sentence for that than for raping someone.

I haven't worked myself into a frenzy about anything. BBC breakfast is awful to watch ....So I no longer bother with it. I did try ITV once or twice. Now I could work myself into a frenzy if I was forced to watch that.

Will go back and re read the bit about the tweet. I don't do twitter so I'm not sure what that's all about.

I'm sure other gransnetters can look things up for themselves if they want to.

growstuff Sat 20-Mar-21 20:32:40

It's actually quite frightening how many on GN seem to have fallen for it too.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 20-Mar-21 20:34:21

I never respond to people that shout at me, whether that be in the real world or online...

Callistemon Sat 20-Mar-21 20:34:57

???

Just wondering who it is who has been worked up into a frenzy.

14 : 17

growstuff Sat 20-Mar-21 20:36:29

Is this the kind of thing you mean Urmstongran?

Callistemon Sat 20-Mar-21 20:38:06

growstuff with respect, you seem obsessed with Hitler for some reason.

Equating the Union flag with the swastika is very, very odd indeed.

growstuff Sat 20-Mar-21 20:38:17

Or maybe this classroom?

growstuff Sat 20-Mar-21 20:40:23

Or maybe this classroom form North Korea?

Callistemon Sat 20-Mar-21 20:41:22

That is three times on this thread you have posted pictures of swastikas.

Do you equate the Saltire, the Welsh flag, etc with the swastika too when they are shown behind the First Ministers?