A year of Starmer What do you think?

You’re right Grany, the buck does stop with him, thankfully. He’s beginning to feel his feet now in terms of the team that will work, we need to give them six months to bed down and then reassess how it’s going.

If the buck stops with the leader of the party does not the same apply to the previous leader ?

Casdon

You’re right Grany, the buck does stop with him, thankfully. He’s beginning to feel his feet now in terms of the team that will work, we need to give them six months to bed down and then reassess how it’s going.

The problem is, he’s not given a chance is he? The coverage of the reshuffle is getting beyond ridiculous. I would call it obsessive but it’s a deliberate distraction policy. Meanwhile, theres a raft of serious issues that go unaddressed and mostly unmentioned by the media that are squarely in the Govts court. It will be interesting to see what’s in the Queens Speech tomorrow.

Spot on, Polarbear2, the time's right now to get tough - with a loud, clear message of how things should change!

Starmer isn't " Left " enough ! He'll have to brush up on his Marxism.

suziewoozie

Casdon

You’re right Grany, the buck does stop with him, thankfully. He’s beginning to feel his feet now in terms of the team that will work, we need to give them six months to bed down and then reassess how it’s going.

The problem is, he’s not given a chance is he? The coverage of the reshuffle is getting beyond ridiculous. I would call it obsessive but it’s a deliberate distraction policy. Meanwhile, theres a raft of serious issues that go unaddressed and mostly unmentioned by the media that are squarely in the Govts court. It will be interesting to see what’s in the Queens Speech tomorrow.

He's had a whole year to do things and in that year he has shown himself unwilling to oppose abuses of human rights, unwilling to fully investigate wrongdoing in the LP, incapable of running a decent electoral campaign and unwilling to accept responsibility for this and you want to give him 6 more months to do something!
If Corbyn had had such a disastrous result in 2017there would havebeen calls for him to go. But he didn't the 2017 election produced the highest Labour vote since 2001. But it's all the fault of the left wing isn't it????

And the following election labour had the biggest defeat since
1935

And he went Annie he didn't hide his head in the sand, reshuffle his cabinet and pretend he had nothing to do with it. That's the point.

But trisher this isn’t a general election is it? If it was, unlike Corbyn, I’m sure Starmer would have stood down. I couldn’t believe Kuensberg last night (well, it was Kuensberg so I should have expected it). Owen Jones is slagging Starmer off constantly. All it does is divert attention away from the corrupt, lying government that we now have. Starmer has the BBC against him. Murdoch. And large sections of his own party who still worship Corbyn. Maybe he should just promise to abolish tuition fees and get the youth of this country chanting ‘oh, Keir Starmer’.

Well said May I’m just sick of all the angst - much of it manufactured. It’s filling the gap until tomorrow when the QS will not only promise us unicorns but also in a choice of colours.

MayBee70

But trisher this isn’t a general election is it? If it was, unlike Corbyn, I’m sure Starmer would have stood down. I couldn’t believe Kuensberg last night (well, it was Kuensberg so I should have expected it). Owen Jones is slagging Starmer off constantly. All it does is divert attention away from the corrupt, lying government that we now have. Starmer has the BBC against him. Murdoch. And large sections of his own party who still worship Corbyn. Maybe he should just promise to abolish tuition fees and get the youth of this country chanting ‘oh, Keir Starmer’.

At least saying he would abolish tuition fees would show he had some form of policies. Why do you think post Tony Blair that election turn out dropped to its lowest ever? Because all that was offered was Tory or Tory lite. Is that what we are going back to? I don't worship Corbyn I simply acknowledge that in 2017 something left wing appealed to the population and, in spite of opposition within the LP, the party did well. In 2019 they failed. They failed massively this year as well, But of course it's nothing to do with Starmer's inadequacies. It's all the fault of the left wing, who have given him a year to further destroy socialism.

trisher we did not have a general election last Thursday, and
Corbyn stood down after losing two general elections.

Well said MayBe and suziewoozie

He only lost 2017 because the Tories bribed the DUP. It isn't enough to keep blaming Corbyn because it was a loss. It is time to start looking at it in more detail. The Hartlepool seat had a bigger majority in 2017, this fell in 2019 but the seat was lost by Starmer. More councils were lost under Starmer. Time to stop blaming the left and look at what really happened.

Of course if all you want is. centrist LP that has proved itself unelectable for the past 20 years carry on!

But trisher the buck stops with the leader, read granys post,
you both share the same beliefs

1983 , labour lost

1997 labour won , followed by two more wins

followed by ?

Well now that Keir Starmer has made it absolutely clear that he is making the Labour party more right wing by promoting Rachel Reeves, perhaps we should give him longer and just see what happens. Otherwise people are going to continue to blame those that they see as "far left".
At least those of us who liked the previous policies and want to see a fairer society will know for sure that our votes are not wanted by the Labour party.

And do people really think that churning out nastiness about those of us supported the policies put forward by Jeremy Corbyn, is going to encourage us to vote for Keir Starmer's party?
Or are you deliberately making it cristal clear that we should take our votes elsewhere?

Because actually, we all have "somewhere else to go" if pushed far enough.

I resent the implication that the more moderate members of the Labour Party are somehow are so dumb that we haven’t followed in detail what’s happened, and that we don’t know what’s going on - we do, we just think it’s time for the left to start listening for once because it’s actually a malign influence that’s now damaging any chance of rebuilding the party to electability, not Starmer’s actions. It’s not a centrist Labour Party that’s unelectable!

Casdon

I resent the implication that the more moderate members of the Labour Party are somehow are so dumb that we haven’t followed in detail what’s happened, and that we don’t know what’s going on - we do, we just think it’s time for the left to start listening for once because it’s actually a malign influence that’s now damaging any chance of rebuilding the party to electability, not Starmer’s actions. It’s not a centrist Labour Party that’s unelectable!

Well explain then how a centrist LP failed to make any progress in spite of austerity until a left wing leader was elected. This isn't Corbyn worship incidentally it's asking a reasonable question. Why did the LP exceed expectations in 2017? Why did it lose out this year? If you are going to blame everything on Corbyn all that does is prove Starmer is ineffective. Something left wing inspired voters in 2017 explain it. No point in moving to the right if all that is needed is a more charismatic left wing leader. You are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

trisher

Of course if all you want is. centrist LP that has proved itself unelectable for the past 20 years carry on!

So Corbyn was a failed centrist too? When did the electorate last vote for a socialist government?

Many of us thought Tony Blair would stick to socialism- we were wrong but he stood on a socialist platform and he used the socialist vote. The backlash of course was years of poor electoral turn out. But why go back into history why not just answer the question why in 2017 did the LP exceed all predictions and almost form a government whilst the right wingers in LP office worked against them? (I asked first)

the far left now working against Starmer, Abbott and MacDonald were ecstatic yesterday

So he promised to unite the party Annie how's he doing on that? If you can't keep your promises if you appoint someone like Rachel Reeves as Shadow chancellor is that uniting the party? She'll go down a storm in the Red Wall- a Blairite Remainer with a London background!!!