I do wonder- is this what the Brexiters wanted?

MerylStreep

GrannyGravy
‘Twas ever thus on GN. Nothings changed.
We have to accept that there are some very bitter people out there who just despise people with money.
Btw to all those people: I didn’t steal my money from anyone.
Like most of us we worked hard and got lucky.

The problem is, and always will be, that you got lucky at the expense of others. But hey, that doesn't matter, does it.

Alegrias1

^I just find it rather like a school playground at its worst!^

Oh yes.....

I was going to use our family non-word worserer...

PippaZ what a nasty remark you got lucky at the expense of others. !!!

You have no idea how MerylStreep is in a fortunate financial situation.

Again, speculation and a tad of envy is not an admirable trait in anyone?

I don't think everybody with a bit of money got it at the expense of anybody else.

I do think that telling people they are bitter, envious or anything else without any basis whatsoever shows a little bit of shallowness in one's understanding of other people's motivations.

It isn't "nasty" or any other baby word. All luck is at the expense of someone else. When people see themselves as self-made, they tend to be less generous and public-spirited so it is worth describing yourself in this way to opt-out of the need to see how your "luck" was made.

Alternatively, it wasn't luck but a probability. In which case it had nothing to do with the persons own ability.

If someone describes themselves as "lucky" suggesting they have no culpability, indeed suggesting they are better in some way then they should expect others might see this differently.

That comment from Pippa was uncalled for and just plain nasty and I think she owes you an apology, MerrylStreep. The assumption that anyone who has done well in life has done it at the expense of others is just arrant nonsense.

MerylStreep

GrannyGravy
‘Twas ever thus on GN. Nothings changed.
We have to accept that there are some very bitter people out there who just despise people with money.
Btw to all those people: I didn’t steal my money from anyone.
Like most of us we worked hard and got lucky.

Well said Meryl
Any mention of a purchase/lifestyle which unknowingly is outside another posters financial status has always been deeply frowned upon on GN with unwarranted accusations of boasting! Are we supposed to know such status of all posters? Who knew?

Can I just point out (again) that those who benefited from membership of the EU did it at the expense of others.

Everyone defends what suited them. And complains about what doesn’t,
Everyone thinks that what is good for them is good overall.

Lured back in ?

Everyone thinks that what is good for them is good overall.

Do you really believe that everyone is that blinkered or is that just an excuse? I am quite sure many - not all but many - are not, although even some of them will chose to turn a blind eye to the consequences.

PippaZ

It isn't "nasty" or any other baby word. All luck is at the expense of someone else. When people see themselves as self-made, they tend to be less generous and public-spirited so it is worth describing yourself in this way to opt-out of the need to see how your "luck" was made.

Alternatively, it wasn't luck but a probability. In which case it had nothing to do with the persons own ability.

If someone describes themselves as "lucky" suggesting they have no culpability, indeed suggesting they are better in some way then they should expect others might see this differently.

All luck is at the expense of someone else....utter nonsense!
You come across as a very bitter individual. I am sorry though that you appear to have had no luck in your life.

Who was it mentioned playgrounds? Whoever it was I agree with them!

Envy! You're just jealous!

Oh, you're nasty! Oh, you're bitter!

Can we even try to have a conversation where it doesn't get personal?

Probably not.

Alegrias1

Who was it mentioned playgrounds? Whoever it was I agree with them!

Envy! You're just jealous!

Oh, you're nasty! Oh, you're bitter!

Can we even try to have a conversation where it doesn't get personal?

Probably not.

I mentioned playgrounds.

I am off now, not flouncing just things to do, continually going round in circles gets us nowhere, just wears us down.

MaizieD

^I do to seem to remember durhamjen supporting brexit though^

I don't think she did, MayBee

No, she didn't

But the risk taking analogy has always stuck with me

MayBee70

Sorry. Late at night. Of course she didn’t ! That’s why it irritated me that she was being used as an example. Thanks Maizie..

Oh, no, I wasn't using durhamjen as an example of a leave voter, sorry. She was a staunch remainer as far as I remember.

I should have made it clear, it was the attitude to risk she posted about.

MerylStreep

This is GN at its worst. Genuine kind people are castigated for just wanting to help less fortunate people. Shame on you all.

Isn't it just!!!

Thank you everyone with your comments ?
I don’t get angry, I just laugh at the comments.
It comes as no surprise from this poster.

Can I just point out (again) that those who benefited from membership of the EU did it at the expense of others.

And working for the EU has made some people extremely rich indeed.

MerylStreep

Thank you everyone with your comments ?
I don’t get angry, I just laugh at the comments.
It comes as no surprise from this poster.

"This poster" unlike the above, put forward a generalisation. I was talking about luck not about MerylStreep.

On the other hand just look at how many personal "nasty" comments have come my way.

I am at a bit of a lost to understand how our taking advantage of freedom of movement to retire to another EU country happened "at the expense of others"?
DH spent many years before that working in EU countries, but living in the UK, working for a British company, bringing revenue into the British economy.
Can someone help me understand what we are supposed to have done wrong?

Exactly Mamie

I didn’t mean to imply you had done anything wrong mamie Of course not. EU membership enabled you to do make choices that were good for you.

At the same time EU membership meant that others had their choice of how to live their life restricted. Winners and losers.

Things have changed. Now your choices are restricted and others have some of their choices returned to them and hope for more. Winners and losers.

But they are labelled uncaring and selfish and must realise how badly it’s affecting the previous winners. Apparently it should never have happened. They should have gone on being the losers.

And now there’ll be a raft of ‘no, no, they weren’t losers. We were all winners’ ‘so will it be any better now’

The inability then to see that membership of the EU wasn’t working for everyone or the much quoted ‘lack of empathy’ is what brought us to Brexit.

They voted out because they didn’t like their lives. Why is it so hard to accept that?

This isn’t about winners and losers. It’s about people’s lives.

I don't see it in terms of winners and losers really.
I accept that some people did not like freedom of movement and voted to end it.
All I would ask of people who made that choice and voted for Brexit is that they admit that the result of leaving the EU has had a negative impact on the lives of other people (which you have done Peasblossom).
All too often the blame for the inevitable consequences of Brexit is put on the EU, the French, Macron etc. That makes me cross.

At the same time EU membership meant that others had their choice of how to live their life restricted. Winners and losers.

I really disagree with this Peasblossom. Like I said I would, I went back and looked at the reasons you gave why some people's lives will have improved after Brexit. But I believe that those things could have happened without Brexit, its just that this country decided not to do them.

Being in the EU made us a richer country, both in monetary terms and as a society in general, not related to money. I do agree with you that people voted to leave the EU because they were unhappy with their lives, but blaming the EU wasn't the answer.

Now all of us are disadvantaged. Its just that some people haven't noticed, or don't care.