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Who gives a t*ss?

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MaizieD Fri 04-Jun-21 13:00:54

Alistair Campbell identifies a new political divide. After listing all the traditional 'divides', and finding that they don't seem to apply these days, he comes to this conclusion:

Given all that we know about the afore-mentioned incompetent, morally corrupt, shape-shifting, truth-twisting, manifesto-promise-breaking, rule-smashing, gaslighting government full of right wing rogues and anything-for-power charlatans, I have concluded with sadness that the new dividing line in British political debate is this: Giving a toss v not giving a toss.

If you don’t think it is important that the prime minister is a proven and brazen liar, you really don’t give a toss about whether our democratic systems work or not.

If you think it is OK that the same prime minister lies not only to parliament but to the Queen, and acts as judge and jury on the code designed to prevent misconduct of ministers, then you have gone into full-scale not giving a tossery about standards in public life.

If you work up sufficient rage to tweet angrily about Meghan Markle but are cool with 128,000 Covid dead, and willing to dismiss any and all suggestion that Johnson did not take the virus seriously, or was too busy sorting out his private life to focus on it, or was finishing a book to recoup the advance because he doesn’t see how anyone can survive unless on at least ten times the national average salary, then you are so far gone into the Land of Not Giving a Toss because ‘Boris is a character and Starmer’s a bit boring’ that you may as well not bother having a passport to come back.

If you are so becalmed as not to be bothered that the Indian variant which may yet threaten further freedom was ushered in by Johnson not taking control of borders, and by his doing everything possible to go on his Global Britain fantasy trip to see Modi, but happy the passport you can’t use is blue not burgundy, then I hope you enjoy its stamp-free pages.

If you are a journalist who cares about truth, but who does not pursue it with vigour when it comes to the words or deeds of the prime minister and his cabinet, I’m afraid your lethargy, and the ease with which you take proprietorial orders or a Number 10 line, moves you from giving a toss to not giving a toss. You are the Fifth Column for the Not Giving A Tossers.

Cummings may be a narcissist who, as his evidence showed, sees himself as the star of a never-ending goodies v baddies superhero movie. He may be a total hypocrite in helping to install in Number 10 someone he thought then and thinks even more now was unfit for the role. So Cummings is and always will be a villain, no matter how many times he rewrites the script. But the picture he painted of utter deathly dysfunction created by Johnson’s chaotic and immoral character rang all too true for anyone who has known him at any stage of his remarkable rise to power.

The Tory MPs who elected him knew it. They, therefore, qualify as fully-fledged Don’t Give A Tossers, provided they have the letters MP after their names.

Bearing in mind GG13's frequent assertion that the man or woman in the street is just interested in getting on with their lives I think that Campbell has a point. I know that many people echo his frustration.

Naturally others might disagree...

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/where-is-the-rage-against-government-incompetence-8015778

P.S The Gnet swear filter must be on. It refused to post this with its original title. Removing one letter made it OK...

growstuff Fri 04-Jun-21 16:10:51

Chestnut

GrannyGravy13 I am not a Boris fan, but it is becoming blatantly obvious the more Boris Johnson is bashed in the media the bigger his lead in the polls?
I agree. He manages to keep his head above water no matter how much they try and drown him, maybe because he's full of hot air! I just think people like his positive, cheerful attitude, even when things are looking bleak.

Maybe they're as full of hot air (and not much else) as he is. Baffling!

MaizieD Fri 04-Jun-21 16:14:45

Eloethan

I agree absolutely with what he says but find it a bit ironic that it comes from a person who was so heavily involved in the decision to invade Iraq.

I actually agree with you to a certain extent, Eloethan, but, apart from his characterisation of Johnson and journalists, he's not really talking 'about' individuals. He's looking at traditional 'divides' and proposing a new one.

At least he cares about how governments should work. And he's puzzled that people don't care. He's as entitled to make as case as the next man.

MaizieD Fri 04-Jun-21 16:16:48

^ I just think people like his positive, cheerful attitude, even when things are looking bleak.^

Even more baffling that they can't see that he's making things more bleak by the day...

GrannyGravy13 Fri 04-Jun-21 16:27:06

At least he cares about how governments should work, and he’s puzzled that people don’t care. He’s entitled to make as case as the next man

Really MaizieD ? The irony of your last sentence is outstanding, especially given his time with Tony Blair!

MaizieD Fri 04-Jun-21 16:36:29

GrannyGravy13

^At least he cares about how governments should work, and he’s puzzled that people don’t care. He’s entitled to make as case as the next man^

Really MaizieD ? The irony of your last sentence is outstanding, especially given his time with Tony Blair!

Why?

The Blair government was competent and, Iraq excepting, worked within the bounds of the parliamentary rules.

I think it's time you stopped telling us that you don't care for Johnson, because you may not care for him but you are indifferent to his government violating truth, honour and honesty. So complicit with Johnson.

I suppose you don't believe in repentance and rehabilitation either. One mistake damns a person for life...

GrannyGravy13 Fri 04-Jun-21 16:41:35

MaizieD do carry on telling me what I care for and believe in, it’s comical to read as you are forever getting it wrong!

lemongrove Fri 04-Jun-21 16:46:38

I don’t think this thread is going quite the way that the OP hoped for!
By going on about honesty, decency etc and equating Campbell and Blair with the moral high ground ( ironic that!) and trying to insult people in general by the ‘they don’t give a toss’ the OP shouldn’t be surprised by the reaction.

grannysyb Fri 04-Jun-21 16:55:22

The one thing I will never forgive Blair for is the decision to charge students tuition fees. My grandchildren will be in debt for years. Those who voted for this were all lucky enough to get their education for free. Further education colleges have been underfunded for years, we need apprentices with technical skills.

GillT57 Fri 04-Jun-21 16:59:03

You have missed the point completely lemon. Or do you 'not give a toss' ? I appreciate that Campbell is a marmite figure but what he says should not be dismissed just because you dislike the person saying it surely?

Callistemon Fri 04-Jun-21 17:09:09

GillT57

You have missed the point completely lemon. Or do you 'not give a toss' ? I appreciate that Campbell is a marmite figure but what he says should not be dismissed just because you dislike the person saying it surely?

It's not a matter of like or dislike surely?

It's a matter of whether or not this man can be trusted, whether any of his pronouncements, views or ideas should be taken seriously as he himself is a proven liar.

He was expelled from the Labour Party for voting Lib Dem, he lied over one of the most controversial and tragic incidents of Blair's premiership and has proved himself completely untrustworthy.

Why should I give any credence what he thinks?

He could, unfortunately, prove to be an unwitting ally to Johnson.

PippaZ Fri 04-Jun-21 17:10:29

I may have missed some (I gave up after the straw man had been thrown about a bit) but the following people thought it was more important to aim off the subject and have a go as something that happened years ago rather than point out that they are actually good citizens not NGTs.

Kamiso
greenlady102
lemongrove
GrannyGravy13
Chestnut
Spinnaker
Beckett
eazybee

So perhaps they can now tell us why we are wrong to think they give not a toss at all and are rushing to say, like small children "but he was worse and did it first mum" in and attempt to cover up what useless and selfish citizens so many in the country are.

lemongrove Fri 04-Jun-21 17:11:05

Did the chapel remark rankle by any chance Gill ?
I do ‘give a toss’ ....and about all sorts of things, but anything coming from the mouth or pen of Campbell isn’t worth my time thinking about. I wonder what lies and cover ups he was responsible for when working for Blair!

lemongrove Fri 04-Jun-21 17:14:02

Should we be quaking in our boots??PippaZ has made a litttle list ... and there’s none that shall be missed, ( think Mikado.)

GrannyGravy13 Fri 04-Jun-21 17:15:55

lemongrove

Did the chapel remark rankle by any chance Gill ?
I do ‘give a toss’ ....and about all sorts of things, but anything coming from the mouth or pen of Campbell isn’t worth my time thinking about. I wonder what lies and cover ups he was responsible for when working for Blair!

Unfortunately there are some that just cannot see the irony or quoting a proven scheming liar to vilify someone they think of as a scheming liar...

PippaZ Fri 04-Jun-21 17:17:18

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lemongrove Fri 04-Jun-21 17:19:15

I for one, won’t be telling you anything other than you are wrong PippaZ.

Chestnut Fri 04-Jun-21 17:27:11

lemongrove

Should we be quaking in our boots??PippaZ has made a litttle list ... and there’s none that shall be missed, ( think Mikado.)

Whoah! That list! I am honoured to be on the same list as those other honorary names. I have made a note of them. ?

Spinnaker Fri 04-Jun-21 17:32:27

Chestnut

lemongrove

Should we be quaking in our boots??PippaZ has made a litttle list ... and there’s none that shall be missed, ( think Mikado.)

Whoah! That list! I am honoured to be on the same list as those other honorary names. I have made a note of them. ?

I'm touched - it's the first time I've made it onto a list on GN. Or should I be worried that my card has been marked ?
hmm hmm

PippaZ Fri 04-Jun-21 17:33:54

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MaizieD Fri 04-Jun-21 17:35:42

Tempted to ask Gnet to pull this thread but I won't. Because it's annoying so many of you who can't defend the indefensible, so have to attack Campbell instead.grin

Nothing like shooting the messenger and ignoring the message.

Chewbacca Fri 04-Jun-21 17:41:20

A bit weird to make a list of the names of posters you don't agree with, don't you think? Proper stalking fodder!

lemongrove Fri 04-Jun-21 17:42:02

There is no reason to pull the thread MaizieD and it’s not annoying at all ( although maybe to you it has turned out that way.)

MerylStreep Fri 04-Jun-21 17:42:21

i wonder what lies and coverups he was responsible for when working for Blair

Just my opinion, of course but I know I’m not alone. www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/do-you-remember-what-happened-to-david-kelly/

Chestnut Fri 04-Jun-21 17:47:19

Chewbacca

A bit weird to make a list of the names of posters you don't agree with, don't you think? Proper stalking fodder!

You're just jealous because you're not on the list. ?

PippaZ Fri 04-Jun-21 17:48:08

Chewbacca

A bit weird to make a list of the names of posters you don't agree with, don't you think? Proper stalking fodder!

It wasn't a list of those I don't agree with. It was a list of those whose only arguement was at the level of a small childs as in "I didn't do anything wrong because the boy next door was worse - almost 20 years ago". Someone might just tell us why that is relevant to the OP.