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Who gives a t*ss?

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MaizieD Fri 04-Jun-21 13:00:54

Alistair Campbell identifies a new political divide. After listing all the traditional 'divides', and finding that they don't seem to apply these days, he comes to this conclusion:

Given all that we know about the afore-mentioned incompetent, morally corrupt, shape-shifting, truth-twisting, manifesto-promise-breaking, rule-smashing, gaslighting government full of right wing rogues and anything-for-power charlatans, I have concluded with sadness that the new dividing line in British political debate is this: Giving a toss v not giving a toss.

If you don’t think it is important that the prime minister is a proven and brazen liar, you really don’t give a toss about whether our democratic systems work or not.

If you think it is OK that the same prime minister lies not only to parliament but to the Queen, and acts as judge and jury on the code designed to prevent misconduct of ministers, then you have gone into full-scale not giving a tossery about standards in public life.

If you work up sufficient rage to tweet angrily about Meghan Markle but are cool with 128,000 Covid dead, and willing to dismiss any and all suggestion that Johnson did not take the virus seriously, or was too busy sorting out his private life to focus on it, or was finishing a book to recoup the advance because he doesn’t see how anyone can survive unless on at least ten times the national average salary, then you are so far gone into the Land of Not Giving a Toss because ‘Boris is a character and Starmer’s a bit boring’ that you may as well not bother having a passport to come back.

If you are so becalmed as not to be bothered that the Indian variant which may yet threaten further freedom was ushered in by Johnson not taking control of borders, and by his doing everything possible to go on his Global Britain fantasy trip to see Modi, but happy the passport you can’t use is blue not burgundy, then I hope you enjoy its stamp-free pages.

If you are a journalist who cares about truth, but who does not pursue it with vigour when it comes to the words or deeds of the prime minister and his cabinet, I’m afraid your lethargy, and the ease with which you take proprietorial orders or a Number 10 line, moves you from giving a toss to not giving a toss. You are the Fifth Column for the Not Giving A Tossers.

Cummings may be a narcissist who, as his evidence showed, sees himself as the star of a never-ending goodies v baddies superhero movie. He may be a total hypocrite in helping to install in Number 10 someone he thought then and thinks even more now was unfit for the role. So Cummings is and always will be a villain, no matter how many times he rewrites the script. But the picture he painted of utter deathly dysfunction created by Johnson’s chaotic and immoral character rang all too true for anyone who has known him at any stage of his remarkable rise to power.

The Tory MPs who elected him knew it. They, therefore, qualify as fully-fledged Don’t Give A Tossers, provided they have the letters MP after their names.

Bearing in mind GG13's frequent assertion that the man or woman in the street is just interested in getting on with their lives I think that Campbell has a point. I know that many people echo his frustration.

Naturally others might disagree...

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/where-is-the-rage-against-government-incompetence-8015778

P.S The Gnet swear filter must be on. It refused to post this with its original title. Removing one letter made it OK...

Callistemon Fri 04-Jun-21 15:05:36

Kamiso

Are you referring to Campbell who helped take us into the war about non existent weapons of mass destruction? The one who forged a mortgage application?

Yes, by changing the text of the dossier. That Alistair Campbell.

Or perhaps changing the text to include exaggerations so that many people including women and children could be killed is not quite lying as far as Campbell is concerned.

Callistemon Fri 04-Jun-21 15:06:54

If you are a journalist who cares about truth

Oh, the irony!!

growstuff Fri 04-Jun-21 15:08:31

The New European is owned by Matt Kelly, Mark Thompson and Lionel Barber.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/the-new-european-sale-7297100

D'uh!

growstuff Fri 04-Jun-21 15:09:59

Callistemon

Kamiso

Are you referring to Campbell who helped take us into the war about non existent weapons of mass destruction? The one who forged a mortgage application?

Yes, by changing the text of the dossier. That Alistair Campbell.

Or perhaps changing the text to include exaggerations so that many people including women and children could be killed is not quite lying as far as Campbell is concerned.

Maybe he's advising Johnson behind the scenes.

growstuff Fri 04-Jun-21 15:11:04

Oh! Wouldn't it be good to have a proper discussion about issues rather than constant slagging people off? hmm

GrannyGravy13 Fri 04-Jun-21 15:18:42

I have given the OP considerable thought...

Unfortunately if I say what I really think of Alistair Campbell I fear I would be permanently banned by GNHQ

MaizieD Fri 04-Jun-21 15:22:20

So where is Campbell lying in this article?

Everything he says about Johnson is true. It's quite amusing that people are whatabouting about one instance of lying in defence of the most persistent and shameless liar we have ever had as PM...

And tossing in a false accusation into the bargain grin

Callistemon Fri 04-Jun-21 15:22:42

growstuff

Oh! Wouldn't it be good to have a proper discussion about issues rather than constant slagging people off? hmm

How is that possible when Campbell is held up as an arbiter of truth and decency?

GrannyGravy13 Fri 04-Jun-21 15:26:23

Callistemon

growstuff

Oh! Wouldn't it be good to have a proper discussion about issues rather than constant slagging people off? hmm

How is that possible when Campbell is held up as an arbiter of truth and decency?

Totally agree Callistemon

Perhaps I am biased as instead of AC attending their siblings christening, they were on their way to fight in liars Blair and Campbells war.

GillT57 Fri 04-Jun-21 15:30:32

Galaxy

What does that mean Ellan.

It's probably a nasty comment regarding Campbell's well documented battle with depression. Predictable.

Visgir1 Fri 04-Jun-21 15:32:52

Campbell has always struck me as a jealous bitter man.
Agree *Pot and Kettle " he really is a piece of work.

GillT57 Fri 04-Jun-21 15:34:18

well I for one would like to applaud Campbell for saying what many of us are thinking, even if many on here have fallen down the rabbit hole with the current administration. Even if you have a problem with him, don't shoot the messenger, what he says is true, even if it suits many to turn a blind eye and a deaf ear.

MaizieD Fri 04-Jun-21 15:36:57

How is that possible when Campbell is held up as an arbiter of truth and decency?

Have you bothered to read the article?

It's about how voters no longer conform to the 'traditional' divisions. No-one is holding him up to be an arbiter of truth and decency; you've just made that up yourself so you could make a snidey comment.

Though he is not lying when it comes to Johnson...

M0nica Fri 04-Jun-21 15:40:50

Hasn't it occurred to anyone that among the don't give a t*ss-ers, are a large group of people so ground down by the way thungs are going at the moment, probably with long COVID, worried about where the next meal will come from if the end of furlough means the end of employment, in constant pain from athritic knees and hips that should have been replaced in 2020 and are unlikely to be done before 2025, those with cancer and heart attacks also with long waits, with children falling behind at school.

These people do not have time to give a toss about what politicians do because it all they can do to live from one day to other and hope they can survive.

greenlady102 Fri 04-Jun-21 15:43:07

I apologise and retract, he is editor at large

MaizieD Fri 04-Jun-21 15:43:43

These people do not have time to give a toss about what politicians do because it all they can do to live from one day to other and hope they can survive.

Which is particularly sad because it is mainly politicians that have put them where they are. I wonder how much of a toss they gave in the 2019 GE?

GillT57 Fri 04-Jun-21 15:44:17

Careful Maizied, when I tried to discuss moral beliefs and honesty on another thread I was accused of being a bit 'chapel'. Oh the irony. I wish they would get Campbell on QT or Have I Got New For You. Ian Hislop does his best, but he is ploughing a lonely furrow by pointing out the lies, corruption and inadequacies of the current administration. It is the perfect end to my week, a glass of white wine and a blast of realism. wine

GrannyGravy13 Fri 04-Jun-21 15:49:02

I am not a Boris fan, but it is becoming blatantly obvious the more Boris Johnson is bashed in the media the bigger his lead in the polls?

I can understand the frustration of those who are not Conservatives but I am afraid the solution is in Mr.Starmers hands and so far it’s not going well for the opposition parties.

Callistemon Fri 04-Jun-21 15:49:17

No-one is holding him up to be an arbiter of truth and decency; you've just made that up yourself so you could make a snidey comment.

It's not snidey; like his dossier, he is discredited so why would posters be expected to give consideration to his views?
He and the government he served who took us into an illegal war with their lies?

If there ever was any decency in politics it was lost well and truly then, hardly ever to be regained.

Yes, I skim read it and disregarding his views does not make me an admirer of Johnson and his government.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 04-Jun-21 15:54:46

Ditto Callistemon

GillT57 Fri 04-Jun-21 15:58:31

I understand your comments about people being too busy getting on with life, dealing with debt, disease, pain etc., to indulge in navel gazing about politics,MOnica but surely politics is even more important if life is treating you harshly? It is the only way to attempt to change the many things which are unfair. This is what Campbell is discussing surely? By not 'giving a toss' about cuts in health and education funding, by not 'giving a toss' about the cladding scandal, about the voting down of proposals that all housing should be of a minimum standard, this 'not giving a toss' is how it happens. It happens because people allow it to.

Eloethan Fri 04-Jun-21 16:05:40

I agree absolutely with what he says but find it a bit ironic that it comes from a person who was so heavily involved in the decision to invade Iraq.

growstuff Fri 04-Jun-21 16:09:24

GillT57

I understand your comments about people being too busy getting on with life, dealing with debt, disease, pain etc., to indulge in navel gazing about politics,MOnica but surely politics is even more important if life is treating you harshly? It is the only way to attempt to change the many things which are unfair. This is what Campbell is discussing surely? By not 'giving a toss' about cuts in health and education funding, by not 'giving a toss' about the cladding scandal, about the voting down of proposals that all housing should be of a minimum standard, this 'not giving a toss' is how it happens. It happens because people allow it to.

I agree 100%.

It's ironic that ops about Alastair Campbell and Meghan Markle generate more replies than those about serious issues such as those you mention (and many more).

Chestnut Fri 04-Jun-21 16:09:43

GrannyGravy13 I am not a Boris fan, but it is becoming blatantly obvious the more Boris Johnson is bashed in the media the bigger his lead in the polls?
I agree. He manages to keep his head above water no matter how much they try and drown him, maybe because he's full of hot air! I just think people like his positive, cheerful attitude, even when things are looking bleak.

growstuff Fri 04-Jun-21 16:09:58

Eloethan

I agree absolutely with what he says but find it a bit ironic that it comes from a person who was so heavily involved in the decision to invade Iraq.

Maybe he should get himself a "nom de plume".