Who gives a t*ss?

Most people (after this last awful year with Covid hanging over us) are just wanting to return to normality and don’t have the time or the inclination to worry about politicians and their foibles. Everyone can use their vote in the next GE if they want a different government.Holding up either Campbell (or
Cummings )as fonts of honesty and integrity doesn’t wash.

I agree with Gill57 and Alistair Campbell

I thought the chapel comment was out of order as well but I trying to avoid conflict on Gransnet as a lot you get very personal and report one another it seems. Where is NellG and suziewoozie for example?

I just find it bizarre on a female site where someone is accused of being chapel because she questioned the recklessness of someone's private parts/life on the previous wives and children that were left behind (or aborted) and I am PRO CHOICE btw

I am off out to dinner with friends (lovely Italian overlooking the beach)

If the thread is still here I will have a look in the morning.

I would say that I am surprised at some posters rooting for Alistair Campbell but in actuality I realise they will put anyone on a pedestal if they are anti our current PM.

For the record - I voted for Blair, more than once ( yes I realise now he was a Tory) but I did not reckon on Campbell and his sinister meddling behind the scenes.

Kamiso

Are you referring to Campbell who helped take us into the war about non existent weapons of mass destruction? The one who forged a mortgage application?

what mortgage application.

PippaZ - It was a list of those whose only arguement was at the level of a small childs as in "I didn't do anything wrong because the boy next door was worse - almost 20 years ago". Someone might just tell us why that is relevant to the OP.
I think it's been explained that no-one trusts AC or anything he says. Are you a Dominic Cummings supporter now he's torn into Boris like a Rottweiler? Do you believe and trust what he says, knowing his past record of lying?

I am anti this government and PM as it has directly impacted my vulnerable and severely disabled adult daughter and I have to listen about it meeting in and meeting out. Sorry to have that luxury. I'd rather not tbh but I am not idealistic like a lot of you seem to be. It is a shame as I think most of you are actually reasonable people and would be horrified as to what I and many others have to witness and listen to.

You are right to get back to the OP, JaneJudge.

We can certainly see the need to deflect from Giving a toss v not giving a toss. I agree, Alistair Campbell summed it up well.

I can only add that the lies and missdirection fed us by the government will, at some point, turn back on them. I only hope it is before our democracy has been destroyed.

You're just jealous because you're not on the list. ?

You've got me Chestnut

Chestnut

PippaZ - It was a list of those whose only arguement was at the level of a small childs as in "I didn't do anything wrong because the boy next door was worse - almost 20 years ago". Someone might just tell us why that is relevant to the OP.
I think it's been explained that no-one trusts AC or anything he says. Are you a Dominic Cummings supporter now he's torn into Boris like a Rottweiler? Do you believe and trust what he says, knowing his past record of lying?

What is the point of that question? What will my answer tell you?

This forum seems full of people who want to pigeonhole everyone. They are either all good or all bad. What they say is either all truth or all lies. We are seen as all on one side or all on the other. I repeat; this is a playground level of discussion. Why would anyone want to discuss anything with someone who cannot produce anything better - or even as well - as our nine-year-old can?

Well put your nine year old on the forum and we can discuss it with them. ?

Really made me laugh!

I think it was Peter Mandelson who forged the mortgage not A.C, but for me the invasion of Iraq and the death and destruction that caused for many many years not only in Iraq, all under false pretenses is truly dreadful bordering on wicked. Lets not forget the hounding and death of Dr Kelly, still shrouded in mystery. One mistake? Well it was a mighty big one and I wonder that TB and his cohorts can sleep at night never mind criticise others.

I will never forgive the Labour MPs for turning on Jeremy Corbyn in 2019 like they did. The likes of that little toad Jonathan Ashworth twisted the knife in the last days before the GE.
Obviously many, many people didn't want Jeremy Corbyn to become PM because he would have taxed them to death or being a terrorist as he was branded he would have let many blow us up.

But my point is the Labour MPs were obviously happier to see BoJo in No 10 but keep their seats. Obviously many lost theirs.
The Labour Party has lost it's way many of their MPs were self-serving individuals. Obviously some are genuine but many were shipped in to sit in 'safe seats' .
The fact the majority wanted BoJo in no 10 says so much about the British Public.

I think AC is wrong to say we don't give a toss when people turned out and even queued to vote in a December General Election in 2019 because they were sick of nothing moving forward.
It was the Labour Party who didn't and in my opinion still don't give a toss.

Cummings got BJ in just as AC got TB in but BoJo has a media persona that a lot of people like the buffoon on the zip wire or with a sweeping brush.
His sister would say he was the one that would make them all laugh.
I am in no way a fan of BoJo but AC is pointing the finger at the wrong people gere for not giving a toss because that lies with the Labour Party. I cannot think of 1 decent thing Starmer has said he is like a wet lettuce leaf.

It’s a shame you mentioned who had written this very accurate article !

Once, just once, would it not be nice if someone in the Boris camp on GN admitted that he has made the odd mistake for which being a cheerful chapped is not an excuse.

You would think a man accused of 'sexing up' dossiers so Blair could buddy up with George Bush and lead us into war would keep quiet about truth-twisting etc in others. People and glass houses spring to mind.

I must confess that I am trying very hard not to give a toss because I have been upset by so many things.
The carelessness and cronyism of this Government that has led to so many deaths, but also way that the Labour Party treated their previous leader, as Whatdayisit says, they preferred to see a Conservative Government than a socialist one.

The furlough scheme is a good idea but I know how it would have been reported had it been introduced by John McDonnell not Rishi Sunak.

And still Boris Johnson retains his popularity and his cheerleaders say things like "he wouldn't be Boris otherwise"
I want more than anything not to give a toss but just to thank my lucky stars that I am o.k. and not scratching about for a living.
It's not happening yet but I continue to work towards it.

Lucca
Several posters who voted for Boris are very disappointed in his odd mistake I would use stronger language ?
I will not forgive him ( and others) for the awful care homes debacle and, for not shutting our borders.

Ok. So; as many on GN are refusing to even attempt to understand what Campbell has written, due it would seem to who wrote it.....would you agree with what is said if it was written by someone less controversial politically? Justin Welby? Jonathan Sachs? David Attenborough? With that thought in mind, please read it again.

I do agree with many of my fellow gransnetters (who i often never agree with) that AC has no right to tell people they don't give a toss. Because he was such a large part of people going on the not giving a toss path.
If Blair opens his mouth i just say to myself how is the Middle East going Tony since you became the peace envoy.
The money that man has made because of being PM. If i see Jacqui Smith on tv spouting her opinion because she used to be Home Secretary i say is your husband paying for his own porn now Jacqui?
The point is New Labour got in supposedly ending the sleaze! Ha. Heads in the trough for all MPs over the years. Expenses scandals, pay rises during recessions, lies after lies
That's why so many allegedly don't give a toss because who are we voting for.
And when the BBC are accused of being bias to the left i blame them for the rise of Farage. He was constantly given airtime contributing to the way BoJo is now snuggled up in no10 with blushing bride Carrie and baby number 5 or 6 or well i suppose that's not important.

Yes if David Attenborough was cross because so many don't give a toss he would move me to tears. And he is angry about it and he has moved me to tears.

Others agree Ilovecheese:

MerylStreep

Lucca
Several posters who voted for Boris are very disappointed in his odd mistake I would use stronger language ?
I will not forgive him ( and others) for the awful care homes debacle and, for not shutting our borders.

You are joking, aren't you? Johnson has made more than the odd mistake!!

As an illustration of "quod erat demonstrandum", this thread is going to take some beating.

GillT57

Ok. So; as many on GN are refusing to even attempt to understand what Campbell has written, due it would seem to who wrote it.....would you agree with what is said if it was written by someone less controversial politically? Justin Welby? Jonathan Sachs? David Attenborough? With that thought in mind, please read it again.

I really tried, GillT57 but all I can come away with is
"You are such a hypocrite, Campbell".
Perhaps this could be an interesting message but definitely the wrong messenger.
The man lost all credibility and any arguments or criticisms he makes are on shifting sand.