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Kali2 Mon 07-Jun-21 09:55:04

And this over a long period of time now. This year only, we are at 74 to 1.

The Labour Party have asked me to embrace Brexit. I can certainly accept that it has happened, but I will never ever embrace it.

Kali2 Mon 07-Jun-21 11:39:56

I am so glad Biden will have a very strong word with Johnson about the NI protocol and any possible deal. That might concentrate the mind. It was crystal clear, to anyone who studied the issues and listened to the experts in the fields- that the UK/NI/Eire border situation had no possible answers which would suit everyone- and that was NOT the EU's fault. And of course that the EU could not and would not- accept a No border between UK and EU- for very clear and obvious reasons.

So if anyone was not aware of this, during the run up to the Referendum, it does not seem rude at all to ask if they were 'asleep'.

Callistemon Mon 07-Jun-21 11:48:46

GillT57

Nobody is whingeing, but many of us read the reports before the referendum, listened to the warnings, and now can see it happening, albeit masked by covid19 events. I hope that eventually we will return to some sort of trading agreement with the EU which will also involve free movement.

Yes, some are whingeing.

You may not be and I may not be but plenty are.
I can't see that whingeing and negativity will make a jot of difference.

Chewbacca Mon 07-Jun-21 11:49:31

I would say the same to anyone who suggested that there was insufficient research and information available before the referendum

Then you would be conflating sheer bad manners with an ill informed decision Kali2. I'm just as disappointed as you (and Whitewavemark2 for that matter) the way the referendum went. But even I can understand why people voted as they did. And whilst there was information out there, it was contradictory and inflammatory by both sides and it has to be accepted, at some point, that the Remain party just didn't do a good enough job in convincing enough people.

But if we ever get the opportunity to have another referendum, we'll have to change the snarky, superior, "only racists and plebs voted to leave" narrative or we'll end up in the same situation again. Most people don't react well to be spoken down to.

Kali2 Mon 07-Jun-21 11:52:54

Who are you to decide who is 'whingeing' or not.

We still have not got a clue what Brexit is all about- and which form Brexit will take. So the fight is on- as we can certainly affect the type of Brexit we will have. This is not being negative- it is being positive and optimistic, rather than lying on our back and allowing it to destroy this country.

A new Government will hopefully be able to change the course of this nasty, horrible, destructive Brexit- and re-balance things- and not pander to the whims of some regimes in order to beg for some measly deal at all costs.

Even if we accept that Brexit has happened- there is everything to fight for.

Callistemon Mon 07-Jun-21 11:54:43

Whitewavemark2

Chewbacca

If as much research and soul searching had gone into this before the referendum, as there has been after it, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in now. Doing a poll 5 years after the fact is rather a pointless excercise.

We’re you asleep in the lead up to the referendum?

Whitewave I'm surprised at your rude post which missed the point entirely.

You don't know how Chewbacca* voted and she (or he?) is quite correct. The Remain campaign was abysmal.

Thinking about that, it should not have been such a shock to so many of us when the result was announced.

It should never have been an in or out choice either, many people said that at the time.
The Single Market may be come about in the future but it will come with conditions which many may find unacceptable.

Callistemon Mon 07-Jun-21 12:01:39

and not pander to the whims of some regimes in order to beg for some measly deal at all costs.

I do hope you are not including Australia in that, Kali2.

I can understand why people voted for Brexit - for instance the cumbersome bureaucracy which meant trade deals could take years to negotiate, for instance, and then be thwarted at the last moment by one tiny section of the EU when all others were in favour.

People I know did research very thoroughly and decided that they would vote to leave after much consideration of all the pros and cons.
(And no, they are not thicko racists)

Callistemon Mon 07-Jun-21 12:03:03

Oh dear, why am I bothering?

Foresight -v- Hindsight

MawBe Mon 07-Jun-21 12:03:40

Thread police alert! 👮‍♀️
Who are you to decide who is 'whingeing' or not
Opinions no longer permitted on GN?
confused

MerylStreep Mon 07-Jun-21 12:12:41

who are you to decide who is ‘whinging’ or not
That’s sounds like bullying to me 😄

MawBe Mon 07-Jun-21 12:30:55

Fear not MerylStreep this is Kali2 ‘s thread and clearly she decides what may be posted. To continue the equine theme I might say “hobbyhorse”.

M0nica Mon 07-Jun-21 12:33:51

Too late now, There is no point in crying over spilt milk.

It will be much more useful to look ahead to build a new brexitted Britain but look for mutual and co-operataive ways to work with the EU.

Talullah Mon 07-Jun-21 12:41:10

M0nica

Too late now, There is no point in crying over spilt milk.

It will be much more useful to look ahead to build a new brexitted Britain but look for mutual and co-operataive ways to work with the EU.

Excellent point, M0nica

And thank you for the smile this gloomy morning, Kali2. The thought of Biden having a strong word with Boris. I'd love to see that. Do you think he'd be wagging his finger at the same time?

Life goes on. Friends, family, colleagues have all accepted where we are now. Those that voted Remain are not still talking about it. It only appears to be on GN. I'm sure there are groups on FB and the like but I couldn't cope with all this discussion about something that will mean nothing to our grandchildren when they grow old.

I think the fat lady has sung.

Kalu Mon 07-Jun-21 12:52:28

Completely agree Chewbacca I was wide awake as I watched others sleepwalking towards brexit!

Katie59 Mon 07-Jun-21 13:17:58

As a remainer what we have got is exactly what I expected, we have made our bed so now we lie in it and make the best of it.
Covid has made everything much worse, travel is going to be disrupted for months yet.
So far trade discussions don’t seem to promise the big advantages that were predicted, and the value of sterling is in the doldrums against the euro, we can only hope for positive progress.

Welshwife Mon 07-Jun-21 13:22:17

The problem with the new Brexit Britain as that the trade deals being negotiated are not as good as the ones we had. We have yet to get any ‘good’ deal for Britain.

grandtanteJE65 Mon 07-Jun-21 13:29:19

It surprises me that anyone has been willing to waste their time doing polls about Brexit now.

It is done and everyone has to abide the consequences, whether they were for or against it.

I don't remember, but I may be at fault here, that the possibility of re-entry was discussed at all, during the entire Brexit process.

Considering the time, money and effort expended on Brexit, I doubt re-entering the EU would be easy or possible any time soon, even if a significant majority should want to do so.

Lin52 Mon 07-Jun-21 13:36:07

In all my years have never been invited to vote in a poll about the EU Referendum. Think all these polls are done in London and among Guardian or Independant readers, then people wonder why they are biased towards the remain vote

lemongrove Mon 07-Jun-21 13:36:24

Exactly, grandtante

This subject is your favourite one Kali but really you know, time to give in gracefully now and stop stressing about it.
Besides, as you live in France ( as I’m sure you have mentioned a few times) you won’t have to live in a Brexited UK.
We have to look to the future now, not the past, and you know what? Life is still good and worth living, so enjoy it.

Lin52 Mon 07-Jun-21 13:38:10

Kali2

''Britain has turned against Brexit, according to the biggest ever poll of polls.

YouGov analysis for the Evening Standard shows that 204 out of 226 polls since July 2017 have shown Remain ahead, with just seven for Leave, and 15 ties.

So far this year, just one poll has put Leave ahead, compared to 74 for staying in the EU.''

Now I accept polls can be wrong, but the figures above are very clear as so cumulative over a long period of time.

Well paper based in Kensington, no surprise there then.

Alegrias1 Mon 07-Jun-21 13:45:47

Lin52

Kali2

''Britain has turned against Brexit, according to the biggest ever poll of polls.

YouGov analysis for the Evening Standard shows that 204 out of 226 polls since July 2017 have shown Remain ahead, with just seven for Leave, and 15 ties.

So far this year, just one poll has put Leave ahead, compared to 74 for staying in the EU.''

Now I accept polls can be wrong, but the figures above are very clear as so cumulative over a long period of time.

Well paper based in Kensington, no surprise there then.

YouGov was founded and is partly owned by Nadhim Zahawi. You know, the TORY vaccine guy?

If you're going to suggest bias, best get your facts right.

Dinahmo Mon 07-Jun-21 13:46:23

grandtanteJE65 As someone else has pointed out todays announcement is the result of polls taken over several years.

Polls are always being taken to sound out the mood of the country which seems to change from one week to the next. However, it would seem that 90% of the polls taken over the last 4 years show people would have preferred to Remain and only 3% preferred Leave.

It's a sad indictment that many people who supported Remain didn't bother to turn out and vote.

Kali2 Mon 07-Jun-21 13:47:10

lemongrove

Exactly, grandtante

This subject is your favourite one Kali but really you know, time to give in gracefully now and stop stressing about it.
Besides, as you live in France ( as I’m sure you have mentioned a few times) you won’t have to live in a Brexited UK.
We have to look to the future now, not the past, and you know what? Life is still good and worth living, so enjoy it.

Where on earth have I mentionned I live in France? This is one of the many suggestions made about where I live- which is preposterous. I don't know or care where you live- and where I live is for me, and me alone to know and is utterly irrelevant.

Please show me the GN rules which require posters to give private information on their private life, unless one chooses to.

Callistemon Mon 07-Jun-21 13:48:34

M0nica

Too late now, There is no point in crying over spilt milk.

It will be much more useful to look ahead to build a new brexitted Britain but look for mutual and co-operataive ways to work with the EU.

Of course it will M0nica!!

GrannyGravy13 Mon 07-Jun-21 13:54:48

If more people had got off of their derrières and voted remain then we would have remained.

25Avalon Mon 07-Jun-21 14:01:17

The polls keep swinging between Boris and Starmer. Last I saw Boris was leading thanks to Coved vaccine. No doubt it will swing again, but it doesn’t mean anything.

Remainers can jump up and down with glee about polls but it isn’t going to make much if any difference.