Covid vaccinations to be made compulsory for care home staff

Calling a mask " a face nappy" seems to be something that the folk who don't actually believe covid is real say. I've heard it a bit from those people IRL. It does come across rude and ignorant as I see wearing a mask as protecting others from my germs.

I don't know why people are still perpetuating the myth that covid is a made up illness. Of course, those people won't use any type of protection for a disease they don't believe in. Surprisingly even though some covid deniers have become ill and died, they still don't seem to believe it's a real threat- just that people who have had the injection are the problem! How?! I would like to see serious evidence and proof of these "beliefs".

How are the injected and those who take precautions to keep themselves and others healthy, a threat?

Incidentally I had to wait in an ambulance queue when I arrived. I waited about two hours to be admitted because there were so many people being admitted with Covid. I was already on oxygen in the ambulance and nurses and doctors regularly came out to see me, take blood, etc. I was never left alone, the paramedics were with me the entire time. I think ambulance queues suggests very busy hospitals doesn’t it?

Thank you Monica for supporting what I said. I know that people such as your husband still received necessary care, as my elderly mother also did, after she fell and sustained a head injury. No one was turned away, but that doesn’t mean that the hospital wasn’t full of Covid patients, as PinkCakes suggested. As I said, there were over 500 Covid patients in the hospital at the same time that I was in hospital. How PinkCakes can possibly think that 500 plus Covid patients in one hospital is not ‘overwhelming’ or ‘full’ is beyond me.

PippaZ I think you are right, it is a faith, or possibly more of a cult.

There are those ignorant or dismissive of facts, ignorant or dismissive of how to quote accurately and ignorant or dismissive of other opinions than theirs - especially dismissing those who are expert in this area. When you get to this stage it becomes a faith rather than a fact-based opinion.

I think the only thing you can do at this point is to tell such people we will be there for them if they realise what they are caught up in.

maddyone DH was rushed to hospital in early November and needed urgent heart surgery. Complications meant that he wasn't discharged until early January. When he was admitted to hospital, to a large world ranking cardiac unit, the unit was dealing with cardiac cases on all three floors, and nothing else.

Bt the time he was discharged most of the unit was being used for COVID cases. This included half his ward, which was hermetically sealed from the rest. After his sudden and hasty discharge the whole ward was made a COVID ward.

Some people did photograph some of the empty corridors and outpatients waiting rooms as evidence that the hospital was not overwhelmed. But as all outpatients clinics had been cancelled because of the dangers of infection, it is not surprising the clinics were empty, there were also no staff in the photos either, because all were working on the wards.

What they did not photograph were the car parks. As the second wave progressed, the hospital extended the amount of staff parking, by gradually turning all the visitors carparks, bar the smalles, into staff car parks and they were all full, showing that there were many more staff in the hospital than normal and they were far too busy on the wards to be swanning around the corridors and lounging around in empty outpatient's departments.

PinkCakes

I've given up with this thread - the majority of people on it are patronising, blinkered, and completely brainwashed. No hope for them. Stay watching the BBC, keep your face nappy on, wash your hands 20 times a day, obey all the rules.

Again - if the masks, hand-washing, safe distancing, lockdowns, and vaccines all work, what have you got to fear?

No hope of what?

Lucca

Asking for evidence is not being patronising.

Saying “wear your face nappy” however, is.

Be kind Lucca. Some people have a problem with vocabulary.

PinkCakes

I've given up with this thread - the majority of people on it are patronising, blinkered, and completely brainwashed. No hope for them. Stay watching the BBC, keep your face nappy on, wash your hands 20 times a day, obey all the rules.

Again - if the masks, hand-washing, safe distancing, lockdowns, and vaccines all work, what have you got to fear?

Those of us who wear our masks, keep a safe distance and are vaccinated have very little to fear. That's why we carry on with what we're doing. And why it's nonsense to claim that people are "scared", which is what some try to claim.

Problems are caused because some people have no choice but to go to school (either as a pupil or staff) or work in another environment where it's not possible to work safely. Many of them are too young to be vaccinated and they need protecting by keeping incidence rates low. Low incidence rates will also slow the rate of mutations. I believe that those of us who can take mitigation measures should do so.

Further problems are caused by those who wilfully ignore all safety measures. They're perfectly entitled to ignore advice, but they also have a duty to keep themselves away from anybody else.

Asking for evidence is not being patronising.

Saying “wear your face nappy” however, is.

But why don’t you educate us then ? Answer our questions, you must have some evidence for what you believe ?

I've given up with this thread - the majority of people on it are patronising, blinkered, and completely brainwashed. No hope for them. Stay watching the BBC, keep your face nappy on, wash your hands 20 times a day, obey all the rules.

Again - if the masks, hand-washing, safe distancing, lockdowns, and vaccines all work, what have you got to fear?

Well we’ve all asked questions politely…..

Hello again PinkCakes and BiscuitMuncher,
Could you please just kindly send me a couple of decent links please?
I’d like to understand where you’re coming from.
Thank you

Pink cakes. Looking forward to your answers to my questions and Monica’s

varian Your point about the rise in Covid cases in Cornwall is what?

Alegrias1 Civic duty?

*Pinkcakes. I quote you Some people on here really need to stop watching the news on tv, stop reading the papers, and actually realise what's happening.

My question is: How does the news in newspapers and on tv differ from what is available online, given that all use the same sources? For example, the BBC publishes the same news whether you watch on tv or read it online. The same applies to the newspapers.

Another question; if hospital waiting lists have grown so large, why is this? Is it because NHS doctors nurses etc all decided to have a sabbatical and stop working for a year, or is it because there was a sudden surge in other illnesses that had to take priority, if so what was that illness?

Another question: I accept totally in the sincerity with which you hold your views and your complet belief that the rest of us are entirely wrong. In which case when we ask you questions, like these here, about evidence for all the claims you make, references to published reports, peer reviewed articles from institutions held in respect, including those supporting alternative views to the majority, why are you so unwilling to do so.

Why when we are so interested in your views, when you do actually quote figures from a government report do you distort the figures in a way that is obvious to anyone who checks your source?

Please, we are interested in your views and you may be right, but we need the evidence and you are not providing it.

PinkCakes

The information is all there online. You simply need to look. For the people waiting for hospital treatments, I typed in "people waiting for hospital treatments in UK"

I'm not bothered about anyone's opinion of me, I appreciate that many people have believed all the scaremongering. I'm able to think for myself and not follow the crowd just because men in suits tell me to.

Have a look at the photographs of the G7 meeting. No masks, no social distancing, they're all there on the beach - whilst telling us what to do.

Cornwall has 25 cluster hotspots after sharp rise in coronavirus cases

www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/cornwall-25-cluster-hotspots-after-5538592

When I was in hospital with Covid, there were more than 500 patients in the hospital, all with Covid. I don’t know about the hospital not being ‘overwhelmed or full’ but it seemed pretty full to me. It seemed pretty full to the staff too. They were 40% understaffed at that time as well because many staff were sick with Covid or self isolating.

Thank you to those of you who thanked me for writing my experience of having Covid and being in hospital. Sadly it appears to have gone unnoticed by the people who really need to notice it.

PinkCakes

The information is all there online. You simply need to look. For the people waiting for hospital treatments, I typed in "people waiting for hospital treatments in UK"

I'm not bothered about anyone's opinion of me, I appreciate that many people have believed all the scaremongering. I'm able to think for myself and not follow the crowd just because men in suits tell me to.

Have a look at the photographs of the G7 meeting. No masks, no social distancing, they're all there on the beach - whilst telling us what to do.

But why will you not answer anyone’s questions?
For example what is the benefit to all these governments in pretending Covid exists and is dangerous?

Why on earth would a government impose a lockdown if it wasn’t necessary? We all know how damaging it is to the economy.

If you say we shouldn’t read the newspapers or watch tv news where are you getting your information from?

Please do us the courtesy of answering some of these points

I typed in "people waiting for hospital treatments in UK"

So did I. Then I read the article properly.

The information is all there online. You simply need to look. For the people waiting for hospital treatments, I typed in "people waiting for hospital treatments in UK"

I'm not bothered about anyone's opinion of me, I appreciate that many people have believed all the scaremongering. I'm able to think for myself and not follow the crowd just because men in suits tell me to.

Have a look at the photographs of the G7 meeting. No masks, no social distancing, they're all there on the beach - whilst telling us what to do.

Sorry - double post, I'll get one deleted.

The figures I gave about the people waiting to start hospital treatments are correct.

No, PinkCakes they are not. You were using a comma instead of a full stop but I know what you meant. You also conflated the numbers on the waiting list and the numbers waiting for more than one year, which makes it look far worse than it is. So you are completely twisting and misrepresenting the facts of the article you quoted.

Like the others, if you have evidence I'd be happy to look at it.

My BiL is the manager of a large regional crematorium. I can assure you he hasn't been sitting around looking for work in the last 15 months. You haven't seen people sneezing and coughing because the vast majority of people self isolate straight away when they have symptoms - because they have a sense of civic duty. Unlike some.