Covid vaccinations to be made compulsory for care home staff

Pink cakes. My post at 09.04. Not from the newspapers, not from the tv.
Did you read it ?

I'm sorry, I believe Agenda 21 is about sustainable development.

Before I started training as a nurse I had to have a chest X-ray and several booster vaccs, plus hepatitis later. Wasn’t voluntary. Of course at 18 you don’t question these things, just accept as part of risk reduction for you and the patients you deal with. I’m more aware of the ethical questions now but would probably still comply. May not be a requisite now.

I find the anti vac movement quite difficult to understand because as previously posted, there doesn’t appear to be any scientific evidence to back their cause. A good many of us would not be alive today without receiving vaccine protection in the past. Polio, whooping cough, diphtheria, tetanus, measles, rubella, TB and many others. One of the reasons infant mortality has reduced dramatically is because of vaccination.

Actually I did look up which vaccinations are compulsory for nursing etc and found that they actually arent. They may be presented as compulsory but they are technically "recommended".

A number of vaccines are recommended for healthcare workers—although they are not compulsory—as outlined in Immunisation against Infectious Disease (the “Green Book”).7 These include tetanus, diphtheria, polio, and MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella).

Varicella is recommended for susceptible healthcare workers and BCG for staff who may have close contactwith infectious patients. All healthcare workers with direct patient contact are recommended to have the annual flu vaccine, and in 2020-21 uptake was the highest it has ever been, at 76.3%.

Hepatitis B vaccine is recommended for workers who are at risk of injury from blood contaminated sharp instruments or of being deliberately injured or bitten by patients.

I have to have vaccinations for my job too and it isn't even health or care related.

I think the bakery section of the lizard movement are feeding off the goats aren't they?

NotSpaghetti

I'm sorry, I believe Agenda 21 is about sustainable development.

It is.

This article is old, but explains a bit about the anti-Agenda 21 conspiracy theory.

www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/jun/24/agenda-21-conspiracy-theory-sustainability

growstuff - you are right of course.
Maybe I should have said "I believe Agenda 21 is about sustainable development"!

NotSpaghetti

growstuff - you are right of course.
Maybe I should have said "I believe Agenda 21 is about sustainable development"!

I'm not pretending to know much about the original Agenda 21, although I'm learning.

What I do know is that it's being used by conspiracy theorists to further their cause.

It seems they see it as a global attempt to control populations. Well, yes, it is a global initiative. There's absolutely nothing wrong with global initiatives to try and solve global problems, such as climate change, poverty, food security and a load of other issues which affect everybody on the planet. In fact, if such issues are to be addressed, they need some form of global co-operation. It seems anti-globalists are only interested in their own "tribe" or even themselves. Essentially, they're selfish and parochial.

Pinkcake You talk abut the false positives, what about the false negatives, people who died of COVID but were not included in the statistics because of inadequate testing in at least the first six months of the epidemic.

You also do not mention the incidence of long COVID, which at least 1 million people, mostly young people, are currently ill with? www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/clinical-areas/pain/over-one-million-people-living-with-long-covid-symptoms-in-uk-finds-ons/

BY the way Pinkcake, you mentioned proudly that you do not watch the news and read the papers, but you do not mention the internet, all those social media memes and trending of lurid tales unsupported by proper scientific research or reference.

If that is the source of your information, od voices come to you in the night, I think I will stick to the news and repurable scientific sources, literature and reports.

Good One MOnica. Tim Hartford More or Less this week discussed the inaccuracies of 2020 death stats because of lack of testing availability early on.

I read that Guardian article earlier growstuff
I couldn't make head nor tail of it...

FannyCornforth I know four people hospitalised from the vaccine, my friend has had horrendous periods way after they'd stopped plus painful rashes

Four people hospitalised!
How are they now?

Biscuitmuncher says about the vaccine,

…..I’m absolutely terrified of being ill from this one, while I’m not frightened of Covid.

Well you should be! You say you don’t know anyone who has been ill from Covid, so here’s news for you, I was very, very ill from Covid last January. I appreciate you don’t know me personally, but you know me from this forum. With apologies to those who have read about how ill I was before, I will reiterate what happened to me for the benefit of Biscuitmuncher.
I contracted Covid from my 93 year old mother, who I am in a support bubble with, after she had a fall and was hospitalised with a head injury. She picked up Covid in the hospital. We were advised by the hospital that she had tested negative twice and therefore didn’t need to isolate upon her return to her sheltered apartment, but unfortunately that was incorrect. Anyway both my husband and I became ill. I was seriously ill and admitted to hospital after my oxygen levels dropped to 82, a dangerous state of affairs. I was in hospital for twelve days, and treated with a cocktail of nine different drugs and treatments, including being on oxygen almost the whole time. When I was discharged my oxygen levels were still lowish, but sufficiently high to be okay at home. I was in a seriously weakened condition, and couldn’t walk upstairs without stopping to rest twice. I had a lot of chest pains, particularly in the part of my lung where the pneumonia was situated. My consultant told me my lungs were both badly scarred and they may or may not heal. It took me two to three months to get back to normal. My latest chest X-ray shows that luckily for me the scars on my lungs have healed. I’m lucky to still be here. I’m fully aware that there could have been another outcome. So Biscuitmuncher now you do know someone who has had Covid, even if only virtually.

I welcomed my vaccination. It has given me confidence to be able to go about my normal life, as far as I am able to, without fear. I still wear my mask, sanitise, avoid very crowded places, but I go shopping, to a restaurant, and took my little grandson to the cinema to see Peter Rabbit 2. I can live again.
Biscuitmuncher please get your vaccine and the protection it offers. You will not be as ill as I was with Covid from the vaccine. I had a sore arm and a headache, and that was it.

Thank you for posting that Maddy
Yesterday DH and I were talking about his Covid experience.
He said that on a few occasions (while in hospital) he honestly thought that when he went to sleep, he was not going to wake up

FannyCornforth

Thank you for posting that Maddy
Yesterday DH and I were talking about his Covid experience.
He said that on a few occasions (while in hospital) he honestly thought that when he went to sleep, he was not going to wake up

thanks goodness he is ok and you maddyone x

I run a care service. Every single one of my care staff took up the offer of vaccination last December without having to be asked twice. We all had to travel quite a distance to a hospital to get our second jab and again everyone was eager to attend.
As a charity we are good employers and we recruit using a "Values Based" recruitment system, where people's core beliefs and attitudes are explored. To me anyone who puts their "human rights" before the well being of the vulnerable people they are paid to support is in the wrong job.

Good post Maddyone, just a quick reminder of how easily covid19 can be contracted and how swiftly one can become seriously ill. I hope you continue to recover, and get your life back. I can't even be bothered to discuss the points made by biscuitmuncher and fellow conspiracists; we are all entitled to our thoughts and beliefs, and I believe you are deluded and have been suckered. Get out of the house, switch off Youtube, go for a walk, but not too close to me or mine, if you don't mind.

There are a lot of blinkered people on here, unwilling or unable to even dare to think for themselves, blindly obeying the rules without questioning anything.

I think it's an absolute disgrace that there are 5,122 million people currently waiting to have hospital treatments (heart disease cancer, joint replacements, plus many, many more conditions), which is 35 times higher than 2020. Sky news.

I find it strange that these anti vacc’ers accuse people like me me of being indoctrinated in some way when I don’t think there are many people as distrustful of our government as I am! PernillaVanilla. Thank you for running such a caring organisation.

I guess there will always be a hard-core of people determined to believe every idiotic conspiracy theory going to justify their refusal and I fear no amount of reassurance will convince them.

I would though like to pick up on a point made by one of the refusers on here when she said she was confident she was safe from the virus as she had a good strong immune system.

I would also say the same about mine, but, (and it’s a very big but) it’s a fact that no matter how fit and healthy we are, as we age our immune system doesn’t function as well as it did when we were young.

This fact has been stated repeatedly since right at the beginning last spring.

PinkCakes

There are a lot of blinkered people on here, unwilling or unable to even dare to think for themselves, blindly obeying the rules without questioning anything.

I think it's an absolute disgrace that there are 5,122 million people currently waiting to have hospital treatments (heart disease cancer, joint replacements, plus many, many more conditions), which is 35 times higher than 2020. Sky news.

We're not blinkered PinkCakes, we have powers of reasoning.

For instance, your stat quoted above. 5 million people are currently waiting for hospital treatment. In May 2020, it was 3.83 million. so that is an increase of 30%, not 35 times.

The proportion of people waiting over a year for treatment has increased by a factor of 35 times, from 11,000 to 385,00. That number has reduced by about 10% between March and April.

Now that is a bad number, but its not the millions that you state.

You call us unable to think for ourselves, but you are unable to extract the important message from Sky News report and understand the data behind it.

Its not us who are blinkered.

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-record-high-hospital-waiting-list-in-england-as-5-1m-need-treatment-12329156

When I was in high school my chemistry teacher always said that when faced with any scientific opinions your question should always be 'prove it.'

I think the science around the vaccine has been proven by the numbers, I've yet to see any proof of anything, other than they are deluded, by the anti-vaccers.

I am certainly not blinkered, and I am perfectly able, willing and very proactive when it comes to thinking for myself. In fact, I apply my chemistry teachers advice to a lot of areas of my life.

PinkCakes

There are a lot of blinkered people on here, unwilling or unable to even dare to think for themselves, blindly obeying the rules without questioning anything.

I think it's an absolute disgrace that there are 5,122 million people currently waiting to have hospital treatments (heart disease cancer, joint replacements, plus many, many more conditions), which is 35 times higher than 2020. Sky news.

Once again pink cakes have you read my post which corrects your false assertion that recovery rate is 99%.
You have not said what you think all the governments all over the world stand to gain from pretending Covid exists and persuading us to be vaccinated?

Why do you think there are all these backlogs for operations and treatment ? Because the hospitals were full of people pretending to be ill with Covid ???

If you are so convinced you are right please please give us some answers !

You know what is interesting on here ? It’s that I Find myself in complete agreement with, for example, Jennifer Eccles, and I think she’d agree she and I don’t usually see eye to eye!