Brexit is fast becoming a disaster

MerylStreep

MayBee70

Interesting mention of brexit just now on the BBC Olympic coverage. Someone (a coach ?) said that along with covid, brexit had caused problems to the team in the run up to the Olympics due to the travel restrictions brexit had caused.

Despite all these problems we are still further ahead on the medals table than any other European country ( excluding Russia)
I’m sure that must really rankle some people, but you can’t dispute the facts. Go uk ???

Oh dear- we were discussing just that last night with OH, and wondered when the Brexiters were going to start saying just this - here we go - doh!

there are still investments in business and manufacturing in the U.K. which some folks ignore and only post of job losses.

10,000 HGV drivers short. Doesn't look as though that's going to be solved soon.

Apparently the government is refusing to run a temporary visa scheme to attract back the EU drivers we've lost. We know all the problems in recruitment, training and remuneration. We've covered them all in an earlier thread.

RHA chief says supply chains are seriously affected and to expect real shortages soon.

This can only be caused by Brexit not covid. Last year, while we were still in 'transition' we had no problems with food supplies and deliveries, despite covid.

nanna8

One thing about the uk,though. It is a great survivor and I have absolutely no doubt it will survive this too in one way or another.

We haven't had food riots since the 18th C, nanna8. Just wondering how we will cope with food shortages now. Brits aren't particularly altruistic about fair shares for all.

Another way the government has let us down

“Manufacturing is at risk from serious disruption because the government has failed to devise a suitable replacement for the EU’s safety standards system”

Whitewavemark2

Another way the government has let us down

“Manufacturing is at risk from serious disruption because the government has failed to devise a suitable replacement for the EU’s safety standards system”

Source of this please?

As someone who has a business dealing with manufacturers in U.K. (as well as EU and further a field) this is news to us…

I have just quickly checked Health & Safety website.

They have a statement UK Health and Safety legislation is not affected by Brexit

There is a problem with hauliers but confusing Brexit with Covid doesn’t help to clarify the situation.
Certain food stuffs could well be missing from supermarket shelves for a time, but not essential items.

On the Olympic medals front, it’s laughable to suggest Brexit has caused any problems. More like Covid restrictions ( if it has at all.) The UK is doing wonderfully, better than predicted.

GrannyGravy13

I have just quickly checked Health & Safety website.

They have a statement ^UK Health and Safety legislation is not affected by Brexit^

This is the best I can do for a link, but it might help

Brexit red tape hits UK manufacturing of goods from cars to fridges
January deadline is scuppering UK supply chains as they reel from the pandemic
independent.co.uk

“Wonderfully better than predicted”?? I’d hate to know what the predictions were

“The Bank of England announced that voting to leave the European Union has cost Britain more than £440 million a week in lost growth since the referendum, thats £727 per second.”

There is a problem with hauliers but confusing Brexit with Covid doesn’t help to clarify the situation.

I'd tell the hauliers that, if I were you, lemon. I'm sure that they will be reassured.

Funnily enough, they don't seem to think that covid is the cause at all:

('Burnett' is Richard Burnett, RHA chief executive)

Burnett said: “Last year we worked very hard and very closely with government to provide critical workers with the ability to carry on. We are critical to keeping the nation fed, to keeping things moving and we did a fantastic job but this time there seems to have been no thought from government in terms of how we approach this in a practical way.

So they managed fine right through last year's pandemic before the end of transition, when we still had lots of EU drivers working in the UK

Burnett explained: “We have asked for the Home Office Shortage Occupation List to recognise the shortage of HGV drivers and apply for temporary fees in the same way that DEFRA have provided those exemptions for seasonal workers, but still a resounding no. And still stonewalling and blocking any progress in terms of actually resolving this problem in the short term.”

www.fleetpoint.org/logistics/supply-chain/uk-supply-chain-faces-collapse-in-two-to-three-weeks/

(The link is to the same article that was published in the Motor Transport magazine behind a paywall)

Yet again the sneaky inference that those of us who have our eyes open to the problems of Brexit are somehow unpatriotic. Nice bit of spin which turns statements about lack of HGV drivers into somehow not being supportive of the Olympians.

Whitewavemark2

You posted ^government has failed to devise a suitable replacement for the EU
safety standards system^

Which is untrue according to U.K. Health &
Safety

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

You posted ^government has failed to devise a suitable replacement for the EU
safety standards system^

Which is untrue according to U.K. Health &
Safety

Perhaps you could take it up with The Independent?

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

You posted ^government has failed to devise a suitable replacement for the EU
safety standards system^

Which is untrue according to U.K. Health &
Safety

This from the story that the Independent (£) is running. (I googled a phrase and found it had been copied by many online news outlets)

Currently, there are markings on products throughout homes and offices in Britain and Europe. They can be spotted by the stamp “CE” which means they meet European health, safety and environmental standards.

These kitemarks must be policed by a government-approved testing body, and from January 1 2022 most products must be separately approved for a UK regime.

But the failure to secure recognition for the UK’s conformity assessment (UKCA) bodies has cut a slice off the UK’s advantage in international trade. The government’s own guidance said, “it was not the desired outcome” in talks.

Industry bodies, factories and conformity assessors told The Independent that there isn’t enough capacity, or no capacity at all for testing certain goods ahead of the January 1 2022 UKCA compliance deadline. It now risks a major falling out between business and government if, as feared, it derails British supply chains.

It could also hold up business’ recovery efforts in the wake of the pandemic.

Projects such as refurbishing commercial premises or building homes could be stopped in their tracks, because contractors are required to install products, such as fridges and fridge components which meet UK regulations.

These can only be found to comply with that contractual obligation if confirmed by the new UKCA regime, and some products are currently caught in backlogs.

postbrexitcompliance.com/2021/08/03/blog-brexit-red-tape-hits-uk-manufacturing-of-goods-from-cars-to-fridges-the-independent/

I would imagine that the HSE is not allowed to publish anything which might cast doubts on the sparkling success of Brexit...

Let’s face it. Brexit is just a huge exercise in damage limitation isn’t it.

Another issue now, ESTA type payment for EU entry.
inews.co.uk/news/brexit/uk-travel-europe-charge-next-year-2022-post-brexit-new-eu-rules-1133467

Jaxjacky

Another issue now, ESTA type payment for EU entry.
inews.co.uk/news/brexit/uk-travel-europe-charge-next-year-2022-post-brexit-new-eu-rules-1133467

OMG!

I've just seen this clip from Jeremy Vine.

What bit of 'The UK is now a third country and must follow the EU's third country rules' is so hard for the idiotic Brexit voting woman to understand?

twitter.com/JeremyVineOn5/status/1422860567560196099

idiot Brexit voting woman

Is that really how you describe folks with differing political views to yours MaizieD ?

I have watched the clip by the way, however I am not in favour of calling others idiots as in my opinion it just leads to more divisions.

She is a bit ...... let's say, confused.....

Its so blatantly against any common sense at all that I think she must be making it up for effect, surely?

idiot Brexit voting woman

Well, I think her comments were idiotic. People who voted remain have frequently been told to "stop complaining and get over it". Leave voters have made their bed and must now lie on it. Yes, it probably is a bit uncomfortable.

I actually have friends and family with different political opinions - and they are not idiotic. This dreadful woman is.

^Despite all these problems we are still further ahead on the medals table than any other European country ( excluding Russia)
I’m sure that must really rankle some people, but you can’t dispute the facts^

It doesn't rankle with me, why should it? Well done Team GB. I just find comments like the above childish. One would expect that wealthy countries with larger populations would secure more medals. Seven medals so far for little Denmark with only 5 million inhabitants. In the UK we have more than 10 times their population and we have 40+ medals...
Does that mean that little Denmark is actually doing better than the UK?

Exactly, and what on earth has it go to do with the OP?

Rankle with whom? Why should it 'rankle' with anyone? What a nonsensical comment.

Us remoaners are all traitors to the country, didn't you know? We hate this country and we want it to fail in all ways.

Including the Olympics

Go Denmark Greta

This leave voter does not like the term remoaners equally I do not like Brexshitters which has been applied to folks like me who voted leave.

Name calling is infantile.