Brexit is fast becoming a disaster

Is that really how you describe folks with differing political views to yours MaizieD

No, GG13. It's how I describe people who are too stupid to understand the rules of the EU and why they now apply to the UK.

"Surely no-one expected the EU to treat us as a non-EU country if we left the EU?"

remark by a leave voter

varian

"Surely no-one expected the EU to treat us as a non-EU country if we left the EU?"

remark by a leave voter

That really isn't a different political view. It's stupidity.

Prue Leith now says it is 'wrong' that the Europeans are now not working in the restaurant/bar/hotel industry. She voted for it!

We have been told again and again 'you lost, accept it and get over it' - surely that has to go both ways 'you won, accept it, own it and put up with it.'

Kali2

Prue Leith now says it is 'wrong' that the Europeans are now not working in the restaurant/bar/hotel industry. She voted for it!

Having spent three days in an upmarket hotel I can assure you that there are many mainland Europeans working in hospitality.

It’s down to the employers, pay enough and you will attract employees .

Perhaps up-market places can afford to do so and pass on the cost to customers who can afford to pay the difference.

You can't deny the figures and the fact that a huge proportion have left and that, yes, even high end restaurants are struggling to get staff. As far as the much less glamorous and much more back-breaking jobs in agriculture, it is a disaster.

This recently from The Caterer

'Three-quarters of hotel and catering firms looking to recruit struggling to find staff'

A friend who is a Head Chef in a posh London restaurant says it is just a nightmare.

Kali2

Prue Leith now says it is 'wrong' that the Europeans are now not working in the restaurant/bar/hotel industry. She voted for it!

Alex Polizzi, of Forte family and The Hotel Inspector also voted leave and is desperate for staff. My heart bleeds.

as for Tim Martin of Weathersoons at the other end of the scale.

GrannyGravy13

Kali2

Prue Leith now says it is 'wrong' that the Europeans are now not working in the restaurant/bar/hotel industry. She voted for it!

Having spent three days in an upmarket hotel I can assure you that there are many mainland Europeans working in hospitality.

It’s down to the employers, pay enough and you will attract employees .

Not all up market hotels though, particularly skilled kitchen staff. Highly skilled chefs are particularly difficult to find. Salary doesn’t enter into it, Brexit is the issue and freedom of movement.

Every European country is suffering from covid.

Those countries in green are suffering from covid and empty shelves in good shops.

Food!

Kali2

Perhaps up-market places can afford to do so and pass on the cost to customers who can afford to pay the difference.

You can't deny the figures and the fact that a huge proportion have left and that, yes, even high end restaurants are struggling to get staff. As far as the much less glamorous and much more back-breaking jobs in agriculture, it is a disaster.

I agree. I've just spent two nights in an upmarket hotel (with a price tag to match). There was a huge sign outside the hotel advertising for staff. Perhaps they will be able to pay higher wages, but they're still going to have problems with freedom and movement and the costs of recruiting non-British staff. Less upmarket accommodation will struggle to pass on higher costs to customers.

We knew that the Brexit would not be good from before the referendum. By "we" I mean those us who looked into the matter beyond the headlines and lies peddled by the Vote.Leave camp.

In the period of Brexit the harshest version of Brexit has been put in place by Boris Johnson's team of dodgy dealers hiding the truth under cover of Covid and simply not telling the people what is going on. Even Dominic Cummings and Jacob Rees Mogg admit that given proper information the public would not have chosen Brexit. The majority of the public 63% did not vote for Brexit; 35% voted Remain and 28% did not vote assuming Remain would win or not bothering or being so confused they could not decide. Many of us who did vote voted by gut instinct rather than fully undestanding the economic implications, as a Remainer I admit that I was not fully informed. Talking to leave voters many of them voted out for reasons nothing to do with EU.

As disasters have unfolded those of us who would like to rejoin are helpless. Saying "We told you so" does nothing. However taking the heat off our criticsim of Brexit lets the government think we are not aware of their Brexit failings. What can we do in our quest to eventually cancel Brexit and rejoin the EU?

Steve Baker - the hardest Brexiter in government at the time of the referendum and since, has called Brexit

“A Political Disaster”

I find myself in the surprising position of agreeing with him

Just a reminder that import checks on goods have not yet started at the ports, and we are already in deep do do.

The shelves are continuing to be emptied. The BBC has recorded an interview with the RHA who told the interviewer that we are 2 weeks away from collapse.

The BBC has decided to not broadcast the interview.

Is someone putting pressure on the BBC to stop the truth of the matter getting out?

What an absolute fiasco.

“After months of campaigning by Elton John, Ed Sheeran, Bob Geldof, Sting, Nicola Benedetti, the Kanneh-Mason family and various unions, UK musicians and performers will be allowed to tour 19 EU member states without visas and work permits.”

Good for them, but what about the rest of our working population?

Whitewavemark2

Just a reminder that import checks on goods have not yet started at the ports, and we are already in deep do do.

Yes, we are still in a transition period. so the full effects of Brexit have not happened yet.

We are still in a series of Brexit grace periods that end in Oct 2021, Jan 2022, March 2022 and in 2023...”

Whitwave- ah thanks for this bit of good news. I have so many young musician friends who have been realls struggling with this- so it will be a huge weight of their shoulders.

Started a new thread about hopes dashed for our youngsters- who want to work in hospitality and tourism, sport, teaching, studying, abroad in EU, and now pilots too.

Whitewavemark2

The shelves are continuing to be emptied. The BBC has recorded an interview with the RHA who told the interviewer that we are 2 weeks away from collapse.

The BBC has decided to not broadcast the interview.

Is someone putting pressure on the BBC to stop the truth of the matter getting out?

The interview was broadcast on the 25th July, the BBC didn't "decide not to broadcast it" I'm listening to it now on catch up.

Allegations of press control aren't helpful, IMO.

Anyway that's nearly 2 weeks ago so we'll soon see, won't we?

I always take what he BBC put out with a pinch of salt. They only show what they want you to see and hear. There is always far more to see and hear!

Alegrias1

Whitewavemark2

The shelves are continuing to be emptied. The BBC has recorded an interview with the RHA who told the interviewer that we are 2 weeks away from collapse.

The BBC has decided to not broadcast the interview.

Is someone putting pressure on the BBC to stop the truth of the matter getting out?

The interview was broadcast on the 25th July, the BBC didn't "decide not to broadcast it" I'm listening to it now on catch up.

Allegations of press control aren't helpful, IMO.

Anyway that's nearly 2 weeks ago so we'll soon see, won't we?

That is interesting.

I was quoting Richard Murphy who I find is generally extremely reliable.

Maybe he knows a lot about tax but he maybe doesn't seem to know so much about transport networks.

The interview with the RHA, which lasted all of 5 minutes and was discussing exemption from being pinged, was carried in Motor Transport and other industry publications but hasn't been picked up, as far as I can see, by a single mainstream press outlet, even the anti-government ones.