Brexit is fast becoming a disaster

love0c

I always take what he BBC put out with a pinch of salt. They only show what they want you to see and hear. There is always far more to see and hear!

That applies to every branch of the MSM along with smaller online publications and foreign channels/publications, they all have their own agenda to push

To be fair his knowledge extends much further than tax?.

Whitewavemark2

To be fair his knowledge extends much further than tax?.

I only read him occasionally as he seems a bit extreme for me.

But he certainly doesn't know much about the RHA, I'd say

You mean his economics are extreme?.

Just like that extremist Keynes?

I'm not an economist, so can't debate Keynes. But I do find Murphy to have extreme views and the fact he thinks interviews aren't being broadcast on the BBC (when they actually are) because they show the government in a bad light only strengthens my opinion.

Alegrias1

Whitewavemark2

The shelves are continuing to be emptied. The BBC has recorded an interview with the RHA who told the interviewer that we are 2 weeks away from collapse.

The BBC has decided to not broadcast the interview.

Is someone putting pressure on the BBC to stop the truth of the matter getting out?

The interview was broadcast on the 25th July, the BBC didn't "decide not to broadcast it" I'm listening to it now on catch up.

Allegations of press control aren't helpful, IMO.

Anyway that's nearly 2 weeks ago so we'll soon see, won't we?

I think the problem with this interview was that, unlike most news items, it wasn't transcribed and posted on the BBC website.

(Not that I have actually searched for it; just repeating what I've seen about it on SM)

MaizieD

^There is a problem with hauliers but confusing Brexit with Covid doesn’t help to clarify the situation.^

I'd tell the hauliers that, if I were you, lemon. I'm sure that they will be reassured.

Funnily enough, they don't seem to think that covid is the cause at all:

('Burnett' is Richard Burnett, RHA chief executive)

Burnett said: “Last year we worked very hard and very closely with government to provide critical workers with the ability to carry on. We are critical to keeping the nation fed, to keeping things moving and we did a fantastic job but this time there seems to have been no thought from government in terms of how we approach this in a practical way.

So they managed fine right through last year's pandemic before the end of transition, when we still had lots of EU drivers working in the UK

Burnett explained: “We have asked for the Home Office Shortage Occupation List to recognise the shortage of HGV drivers and apply for temporary fees in the same way that DEFRA have provided those exemptions for seasonal workers, but still a resounding no. And still stonewalling and blocking any progress in terms of actually resolving this problem in the short term.”

www.fleetpoint.org/logistics/supply-chain/uk-supply-chain-faces-collapse-in-two-to-three-weeks/

(The link is to the same article that was published in the Motor Transport magazine behind a paywall)

We've got very short memories on here, haven't we?

Here is my post about the very same issue, imminent food shortages because of shortage of HGV drivers, which I posted on this thread all of 24 hours ago.

Alegrias1

I'm not an economist, so can't debate Keynes. But I do find Murphy to have extreme views and the fact he thinks interviews aren't being broadcast on the BBC (when they actually are) because they show the government in a bad light only strengthens my opinion.

I think Murphy writes his blog posts at top speed first thing in the morning. So sometimes errors of misinterpretation do creep in. Yes, the interview was broadcast, no, it wasn't transcribed on the website.

But he is absolutely sound on his economics.

I think Murphy writes his blog posts at top speed first thing in the morning. So sometimes errors of misinterpretation do creep in.

Irresponsible then, if he wants people to believe him.

alegrais can you give me a pointer to the BBC broadcast please.

What time, channel programme etc. As I can’t find it.

Alegrias1

I'm not an economist, so can't debate Keynes. But I do find Murphy to have extreme views and the fact he thinks interviews aren't being broadcast on the BBC (when they actually are) because they show the government in a bad light only strengthens my opinion.

So which economist would you say was not extreme? I find your comment quite interesting

Whitewavemark2

alegrais can you give me a pointer to the BBC broadcast please.

What time, channel programme etc. As I can’t find it.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000y63v

About 17 minutes in.

Whitewavemark2

Alegrias1

I'm not an economist, so can't debate Keynes. But I do find Murphy to have extreme views and the fact he thinks interviews aren't being broadcast on the BBC (when they actually are) because they show the government in a bad light only strengthens my opinion.

So which economist would you say was not extreme? I find your comment quite interesting

I know next to nothing about economists so I'm not going to answer

I certainly can't comment on his views about tax or economics, I'm not qualified.

But I do think people who are in positions where others look up to them because of their knowledge in specific fields need to be very careful about commenting on things they know nothing about. They may end up being right, or they may be completely wrong and add to the climate of misinformation we are living in.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2021/07/26/why-are-covid-cases-declining/

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2021/07/18/tomorrow-is-not-freedom-day/

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2021/07/17/johnson-will-need-to-serve-an-appropriate-sentence/

These are all opinions and he doesn't have any more inside knowledge on any of these things than any of the rest of us. He's quite at liberty to say what he likes, but that doesn't make him right.

Thank you for that.

I was searching all the news programmes.

I do listen to O’Connell but must have missed that.

I think the point Murphy was making was that given the apparent seriousness of the issue, plus the fact that the BBC has information relating to the issue, it should have been broadcast on the main news on BBC..
I agree.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57924264

I think Mr Burnett has an axe to grind.

Sorry - posted too soon.

There are other examoples.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57912922

www.bbc.co.uk/news/57810729

Not Mr Burnett, Mr Murphy.

Oh, I give up.

Alegrias1

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57924264

I think Mr Burnett has an axe to grind.

Murphy was commenting on the RHA report.

Hardly an axe?. He is a remainer just like yourself. So I suppose you could say all remainers have an axe to grind.

eazybee

It would have been very different if the remainers hadn't spent three years trying to overturn a democratic vote; there would have been three years to sort agreements and arrangements out before covid struck.
As it is, Brexit has been in existence for six months.

Which democratic vote was that eazybee? If people had believed it was "democratic", they wouldn't be trying to overturn it even it if wasn't what they wanted.

The phrase "Democracy depends on the consent of the loser" shows the necessity of democracy. Until recently, we have pretty much accepted that. We now have a better-educated population as a whole and we all know more about democracy. Because of that, we have people not agreeing that FPTP is a democratic system for elections. We also have many who see the referendum as undemocratic. The "loser" will not agree to consent to a vote if they believe it is undemocratic.

This argument is not going to go away.

No it isn’t and the further into the mire we get the louder the argument will become.

Hardly an axe?. He is a remainer just like yourself. So I suppose you could say all remainers have an axe to grind.

I don't agree with everything that is said by "remainers like me" any more than I agree with everything said by everyone who voted Yes in the Scottish Independence referendum, or who voted for Bill Bailey to win Strictly last year

I think some of what Mr Murphy writes is politically motivated and inflammatory. In my view.

Most of us who have lived in Europe have no recollection of ever seeing poppies for sale there
When I lived in France, poppies were always sold at Carcassonne airport.

MaizieD

Jaxjacky

Another issue now, ESTA type payment for EU entry.
inews.co.uk/news/brexit/uk-travel-europe-charge-next-year-2022-post-brexit-new-eu-rules-1133467

OMG!

I've just seen this clip from Jeremy Vine.

What bit of 'The UK is now a third country and must follow the EU's third country rules' is so hard for the idiotic Brexit voting woman to understand?

twitter.com/JeremyVineOn5/status/1422860567560196099

Here arguments are certainly idiotic. I'm afraid she rarely talks any sense. She is a very silly and unknowledgeable woman; one of those, I'm afraid, who think their unfounded opinion is equal to a truth.

Everyone I know who is involved in hospitality is desperate for qualified staff, my DD and SiL spent 3 days at a rather nice hotel in Derbyshire a fortnight ago, staff running ragged and apologising as they did so, restaurants around here are opening evenings only or doing limited lunchtime service. Anyone whose experience is otherwise is either extremely lucky or has their head in the sand. Our local co-op has no fish ( locally caught, frozen, then delivered) at all, and hasn't for the past week, likewise very little choice of salad stuff. Freezer cabinets only a third full. Ok, we are not starving to death, but we no longer have the choice we did. Maybe one of the Brexit Pollyannas will come along and tell me to embrace local produce; we do, it isn't there.

A poll (Ipsos MORI), yesterday looked at Government performance versus expectation. In answer to the question on taking us out of the EU, participants rated the Government, in Dec 2019, on how well they were likely to do. Those polled voted 81% likely to do a good job and 12% unlikely to do a good job. (7% "don't know).

In July 2021, participants were asked about the Government's actual performance in taking us out of the EU. In this poll, 38% voted that the Government had done "a good job" and 38% that they had done "a bad job". (24% don't know)

Some think they can talk (shout, insult) those who did not want to leave into thinking they were wrong. It appears these intransigent leavers have a big job on their hands. Currently the voters, including a good percentage of those who voted to leave, now either think this has been done badly or have not yet made up their mind and could go either way.