Brexit is fast becoming a disaster

Well, as one of the many on here who was told that I had lost, get over it, was told to be positive, told to wait, told I was unpatriotic etc., etc., I am still fizzing with anger at the mess we are finding this country in. Covid19 has been a convenient cover for the disaster that is Brexit, and it is becoming apparent by the booming silence from the previously vociferous Brexit camp.

Remember Steve Baker? Architect of Brexit? Today's tweet from him;

Keir Starmer's comments about NetZero remind us that he's part of the policy making elite who have decided to make us poorer and colder

Politicians need to level with the public about the scale of change in our lives so we don't have another political fiasco like Brexit.

I saw this. I think he's just lost the plot. It was very weird.

Actually, he hasn't lost the plot has he. After all, lies win votes.

75,000 green jobs have been lost under the Conservatives.

Boris Johnson’s green revolution plans are in hot water as damaging figures reveal more than 75,000 green jobs have been lost under the Tories five-year reign.

ONS figures cited by Labour show a loss of 33,800 direct jobs and a further 41,000 jobs in the supply chain for the low carbon and renewable sectors between 2014 and 2019.

The sectors which experienced the sharp losses include solar power, onshore wind, renewable electricity and energy efficiency.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-calls-climate-action-24689883

This wasn't an off the cuff, said in the heat of the moment thing when being pressured by a journalist, it was a planned, prepared, tweet. Obviously with the intention of damning Starmer, but an impressive backfire. I won't hold my breath on anyone on BBC asking him about it though.

GillT57

Well, as one of the many on here who was told that I had lost, get over it, was told to be positive, told to wait, told I was unpatriotic etc., etc., I am still fizzing with anger at the mess we are finding this country in. Covid19 has been a convenient cover for the disaster that is Brexit, and it is becoming apparent by the booming silence from the previously vociferous Brexit camp.

Count yourself lucky you were never told that you had no right to say what you had to say, and that it was none of your business. Lucky you.

I remember those threads Kali2, all those questions as to where you lived. Very nasty.

I have no idea how anyone, living in the ex-coal mining areas, and either living through or knowing the history of the closures could ever vote Conservative in the future.

Johnson's suggestion that Margaret Thatcher gave the United Kingdom a "big early start" in the battle against climate change by closing so many of the country's coal mines is just wicked.

Sadly, some votes will be gained by these lies. I am beginning to wonder how anyone will ever trust an English man or woman's word again.

Conservatives closed 160 mines
Labour closed 290 mines.

No GG13, that's not going to wash.

If you are trying to suggest the Labour party did for the coal industry, and not Thatcher, you're on a hiding to nothing.

Ignore previous post!!

Ignore mine too!

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Here is a quick summary of mine closures from quora

Mrs.Thatcher closed 160 but Labour PM’s are not particularly covered in glory regarding pit closures

OK, maybe re-instate mine...

What's your point GG13?

Alegrias1

OK, maybe re-instate mine...

What's your point GG13?

Just putting it on the thread that it was just not Mrs.Thatcher who closed mines.

(To be honest if Mr.Johnson carries on as he is, Labour should be able to win if they were lead by a goat but only time will tell)

frustrated Conservative, probably politically homeless

It was Mrs Thatcher that did for the mining industry, her and McGregor. It just took a while to die.

I think that there is more than an element of truth in this statement, and I think people are beginning to have the scales lifted from their eyes as well

“Johnson is not laughing with you. He’s laughing at you. At all of us. He’s been doing it the whole time. On everything. Even Covid. He seriously couldn’t give a s..t about you, your life, your problems. You’re useful to him at elections. That is the limit of his interest.”

GillT57

Well, as one of the many on here who was told that I had lost, get over it, was told to be positive, told to wait, told I was unpatriotic etc., etc., I am still fizzing with anger at the mess we are finding this country in. Covid19 has been a convenient cover for the disaster that is Brexit, and it is becoming apparent by the booming silence from the previously vociferous Brexit camp.

We are just bored to tears with the constant whinging, that’s why the ‘Brexit camp’ are quiet Gill. Very few can be bothered with it.
It’s five years since the referendum, most people have moved on regardless of how they voted.

GrannyGravy13

Conservatives closed 160 mines
Labour closed 290 mines.

Very true....but they won’t have it on here!

Very true lemongrove

I often wonder why I post on political threads?

Anyone who is trying to imply that it wasn't the poor old Tories who ruined the mining industry, it was the Labour Party, well they surely can't expect anyone to take them seriously, can they?

It isn’t just a case of who closed more mines. It’s down to whether or not the party closing the mines did anything to provide alternative employment for the miners who lost their jobs. Now, I don’t know if Labour did do that but I’m pretty sure that Thatcher didn’t give a second thought to the people whose lives she had destroyed. And those communities are still suffering with high rates of unemployment and its knock in effects.

It wasn't just that Thatcher "closed" the mines it was how she did it and, as Maybe said, what was done to bring other employment to the areas. Thatcher punished the mining communities. As far as I am aware Labour did not.

Ex-miner Mike Clark has no doubts. “It was political,” he says firmly. Margaret Thatcher – the Conservative Prime Minister at the time – “she would do everything she could to break the working class of Great Britain. That’s why she decided to close the pits. Don’t forget that at the time, the coal mines were publicly-owned. It was a nationalized industry.”

It was political revenge. Nothing more, nothing less. Johnson is a sandwich short of a picnic if he thinks he can rewrite history in the way he is trying to do. But there are always those for whom being a Conservative is more important than the historical truth or the people who suffered and whose communities still suffer. Levelling up. Don't make me laugh. He has no idea.

Actually lemongrove, I wasn't referring to GN when I mentioned Brexit supporters, I meant the press, politicians, all those people who promised the fantasy that you voted for. Read the thread regarding my comments about Mr Baker.