Brexit is fast becoming a disaster

Apparently, according to Ms Patel- increased security ?!?

Not a big deal for some- especially if they are regular visitors, but will certainly put off many casual visitors and holiday makers- those who come for a long week-end in London or many of our fabulous towns, or visit for a longer holiday.

An extra £70 + per person is a lot- and much more so for a family.

GrannyGravy13

Kali2 I have no idea who Malone is that you keep referring to.

Carole Malone, as linked to by Kali at 16.18

Kali2

Apparently, according to Ms Patel- increased security ?!?

Not a big deal for some- especially if they are regular visitors, but will certainly put off many casual visitors and holiday makers- those who come for a long week-end in London or many of our fabulous towns, or visit for a longer holiday.

An extra £70 + per person is a lot- and much more so for a family.

Are you inferring that EU citizens do not normally hold passports?

We have often befriended folks from EU Countries wherever we have travelled outside of the EU, they had passports.

Sorry MaizieD I missed the link, cannot abide Jeremy Vines TV show, so I have managed to avoid her.

GrannyGravy13

Kali2

Apparently, according to Ms Patel- increased security ?!?

Not a big deal for some- especially if they are regular visitors, but will certainly put off many casual visitors and holiday makers- those who come for a long week-end in London or many of our fabulous towns, or visit for a longer holiday.

An extra £70 + per person is a lot- and much more so for a family.

Are you inferring that EU citizens do not normally hold passports?

We have often befriended folks from EU Countries wherever we have travelled outside of the EU, they had passports.

Yes, I am. Especially in rural areas, the vast majority do not have a passport. Why should they? The whole of Europe, including the UK until today- could be visited without.

So unless they want to go to USA or NZ, or very far destinations- then there was no need. Still no need for EU and other parts of Europe- so why should they spend all that money???

They are missing out on the wonders of the rest of the World.

That is not the point GG13- so don't be disingenuous!

Just done a quick online search, approximately 36% of Germans have passports and just under 50% of French. Haven’t got time to check the rest as I am going out.

We really are led by donkeys.

Quote from this Conservative Home interview with Kwarteng, kudos to Conservative Home. Never thought I'd say that.

Kwarteng: “I think that’s a perfectly legitimate question, and when I answer these questions I pivot back to the Prime Minister’s ten-point plan, The New Decalogue as he calls it.”

ConHome: “That was a satire.”

www.conservativehome.com/highlights/2021/10/interview-with-kwasi-kwarteng-my-job-is-to-make-us-not-lose-sight-of-the-fact-that-we-are-conservatives.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Friday%201st%20October%202021&utm_content=Friday%201st%20October%202021+CID_78a0122ea30d4b50fe0afe280949d8a0&utm_source=Daily%20Email&utm_term=Kwasi%20Kwarteng%20My%20job%20is%20to%20make%20us%20not%20lose%20sight%20of%20the%20fact%20that%20we%20are%20Conservatives

I don't know who she is either, but there is a pretty clear link to Carole Malone in Kali2's post of 16.18.37.

Apparently she is a very well paid right wing, brexit fanatical, journalist.

Stupidity is far from being a barrier to the job of writer for the Express, Mail or Sun - it is a positive advantage.

GrannyGravy13

They are missing out on the wonders of the rest of the World.

Well I can tell you who is going to miss out on visits to the UK- school children, and families. I used to organise lots of trips to Europe, some exchanges, some trips staying in Hostels, etc- to both France, Germany and Austria. We worked so so hard to make it as cheap and affordable to modest families, and found ways to subsidise partly or totally those from poorer backgrounds. Adding the cost of a passport will just make this impossible now- especially with Sterling being so low and possibly falling lower still.

Exchanges are the cheapest, as food and accom is on a shared basis- and they can't happen if the pupils/students from abroad cannot come on the UK leg.

Sterling isn’t low Kali2! It’s £1 = €1.17 still and has been since July. We were delighted in Spain over the summer!
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Sterling has never regained its pre-Brexit levels. Ug. We have details of every monthly transfer rate on our spreadsheets. The best you can say is that it has been better this year than last year.

Holidays are very different to 'living day in, day out'

for those of us who live abroad, the uncertainty is very stressful. Forecasts are that as Brexit continues to create massive problems to business and industry, it could go down very fast, and very quickly. As for foreign HGV drivers- who sacrifice family like and comfort to go abroad to be able to help their family, and perhaps buy a little plot of land at some point- they are much more interested about currencies with a better and more secure exchange rates (never mind the conditions, which are better there too).

They are missing out on the wonders of the rest of the World.

I think that is a rather arrogant point of view. When we had our young family we could not have afforded holidays far afield, i.e. outside Europe. However, I would never say that our children 'missed out'. It was so easy to travel within Europe and our visits to Germany, France, Holland, Belgium, Switzerland and Sweden have enriched them.

GrannyGravy13

They are missing out on the wonders of the rest of the World.

And many of those young Brits who travel to far flung countries have rarely travelled in Europe and so not seen all the wonders that are closer to home.

Mamie

I don't know who she is either, but there is a pretty clear link to Carole Malone in Kali2's post of 16.18.37.

She is also a regular panelist on J Vine - they must have balance of course. She is shouty, loud mouthed and opinionated and very pro Brexit.

Mamie

Sterling has never regained its pre-Brexit levels. Ug. We have details of every monthly transfer rate on our spreadsheets. The best you can say is that it has been better this year than last year.

⬆️⬆️⬆️ ?

It hasn’t tanked then Mamie (as forecast regularly by some on here!).

Alegrias1

We really are led by donkeys.

Quote from this Conservative Home interview with Kwarteng, kudos to Conservative Home. Never thought I'd say that.

Kwarteng: “I think that’s a perfectly legitimate question, and when I answer these questions I pivot back to the Prime Minister’s ten-point plan, The New Decalogue as he calls it.”

ConHome: “That was a satire.”

www.conservativehome.com/highlights/2021/10/interview-with-kwasi-kwarteng-my-job-is-to-make-us-not-lose-sight-of-the-fact-that-we-are-conservatives.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Friday%201st%20October%202021&utm_content=Friday%201st%20October%202021+CID_78a0122ea30d4b50fe0afe280949d8a0&utm_source=Daily%20Email&utm_term=Kwasi%20Kwarteng%20My%20job%20is%20to%20make%20us%20not%20lose%20sight%20of%20the%20fact%20that%20we%20are%20Conservatives

It makes you want to weep - except it's worse than that. We only have politicians running this country. There is not one capable administrator, particularly at the level we need them to be, in the whole government, as far as I can see.

Urmstongran

Mamie

Sterling has never regained its pre-Brexit levels. Ug. We have details of every monthly transfer rate on our spreadsheets. The best you can say is that it has been better this year than last year.

⬆️⬆️⬆️ ?

It hasn’t tanked then Mamie (as forecast regularly by some on here!).

Well, as the Brexiters keep telling us, its early days.

So now we see that lots of other people are being “encouraged” to come to the U.K. to help dig us out of the Brexit mess we are in.

So shortage of lorry drivers has been partly blamed by a world shortage, but of course has hit the U.K. worse because of Brexit.

But I had no idea that there was a world shortage of butchers, meat processors, abattoir workers, vegetable pickers, fruit pickers, food packers, poultry processors, social care workers, hospitality workers, hospital workers, clinicians, vets.

To name just a few.

I wonder how the world is managing without it being an apparent crises with their governments running around like headless chickens in total denial.

Just putting this here. Love Private Eye.

Prof Dougan of Liverpool University, who is probably the most knowledgeable person in the UK re international Deals and negotiations, warned very clearly about the dangers of the Deal Johnson and Frost signed.

He still is, and his analysis clear as a bell

''As usual, when Johnson speaks, he lies... but also manages, despite his carefully managed stage persona, to reveal some hidden truths. A good, and very telling, example from today's prime ministerial musings:
One hand: Johnson claims current problems are part of "necessary" post-Brexit transition. Rubbish. Johnson's Leave cabal chose & designed this Hard Brexit & its inevitable problems. It could've been very different if they had made less extreme choices. None of it was "necessary".
By the way: Truss claims it's not Gov's job to sort these things out; we're not "command & control" economy. Utter drivel. Tories' Hard Brexit was ultimate act of "command & control": Gov actively imposing vast changes upon economy & society in pursuit of ideological (own)goals.
Other hand: Johnson claims when people "voted for change" in 2016 and 2019, it was to end a "broken model" of low skills/low productivity. Thereby admitting they voted for a big fat ugly lie: EU membership didn't make UK economy that way; UK government policies made UK that way.
Plenty of EU member states don't have "broken models" of low skills/low productivity. EU membership didn't cause the "problems" Johnson claims people voted against in 2016 & 2019. So leaving EU won't make any particular difference to solving them. If anything: quite the opposite.
But at least we've heard it from the pantomime horse's own mouth: Johnson's "victories" of 2016 & 2019 were motivated by problems caused by UK government policies, which had little to do with EU membership, but that he thinks his Brexit will address with "economic shock therapy".
What a pity Johnson can't help embellishing his propaganda with trademark Tory xenophobia: insinuating the nasty, offensive, provocative lie that "EU immigrants" were the real driving force behind the UK's "broken economy". In any decent society, a man unworthy of public office. ''

Tearing up the Deal negotiated and signed, and which was crystal clear, every single word- beforehand- and the warnings from experts that it would have real and devastating consequences - would leave the UK totally isolated, with all Ports and a large % of utilities and services owned by the very ex partners this would alienate, at the worst possible time. And the 'word' of the UK more distrusted than ever - perdid Albion indeed.