Brexit is fast becoming a disaster

I find that depriving our troups of this oportunity to support the Royal British Legion iniquitous, personally.

You need to read articles and this thread more carefully, PippaZ!

“There has been no change to the distribution of paper poppies to our members in the EU and we are still sending deliveries to locations in Europe and across the world so that Remembrance activity can take place

GillT57

Corisanda

I'm pretty sure that whatever good news I could tell you re Brexit would be shot down in flames since Remainers appear to be stuck in a quagmire of negativity which has existed for the last five years and many seem to have a death wish for the UK.

well, I have plenty of time to read your massive list of Brexit benefits......off you go......I promise I will not shoot you down in flames......

Some of us have asked, many times - not a single list has appeared. I do wonder why?

My young family and friends talk about Brexit and its disastrous consequences all the time. They are seriously worried, as many of the questions they are asking seem to have no solutions at all. Some of them are from NI and are even more concerned. Many have lost jobs, and seen their dreams shattered, so I beg to differ.

Anyone who doesn't talk about the disastrous effects of Brexit must have no acquaintances in fishing, farming, export of anything, import of anything, educational opportunities in Europe, medical and pharmaceutical research.......but hold the front page.. Corisanda is busy typing up a huge list of advantages for us

Talullah

That's a good question, Alegrias1. But some would say that Margaret Thatcher was the cause of some industries going to the wall etc, and she was voted in 3 times. So maybe we did?

Not in Scotland we didn't.

Fair point though.

No people voted in order to buy their council houses. We might not have had so much disaffection now if Thatcher had allowed councils to build new housing with the proceeds of the original sales.

Should be a comma after "No" and perhaps a dash. "No, - "

Not sure that was the main reason, DinahMo. A million council homes were sold under the right to buy scheme. I think she got more than a million votes.

Not in Scotland we didn't. wink

Very true, Alegrias1

Talullah

*I find that depriving our troups of this oportunity to support the Royal British Legion iniquitous, personally.*

You need to read articles and this thread more carefully, PippaZ!

*“There has been no change to the distribution of paper poppies to our members in the EU and we are still sending deliveries to locations in Europe and across the world so that Remembrance activity can take place*

Your post does say this but the link does not take us to any such quote.

However, if you go to www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/poppies-brexit-sold-eu-b1868884.html you will see the article is exactly as I quoted and only posted a day ago. I am sure the British Legion will do all they can - but why should the cost and difficulties fall on them? Was that what we were "promised".

Perhaps you should take your own advice - including the sneer.

Here it is PippaZ. No sneer intended. But the link is further upthread and it's been pointed out that it's not the paper poppies that are under threat. It's the online shop that sells pens/mugs/scarfs etc etc that is halting the sale to the EU. They don't sell the paper ones.

This is where I got my quote from

inews.co.uk/news/brexit-red-tape-stops-royal-british-legion-selling-poppies-in-the-eu-1059903

What is the saddest of all, that comes out of those threads- is that the divide on GN reflects the divides in Great Britain. In a way never experienced before, at least for a long time. Perhaps even worse than during the Thatcher's years.

Where is the divide, Kali2 We're not living in a world where we all have to think the same. Some people voted for Brexit, some didn't, some Conservative, others Labour, Lib Dem, SDP.Footballers have their own fans. And so it goes on. This proves that we have different opinions. Which is a good thing!

Depends how! Nought so blind ...

Great article in the Guardian, spot on

Brexit is the plague that will still be infecting Britain when Covid has gone. It spreads unnoticed because neither government nor opposition shows the smallest interest in finding a vaccine. The public doesn’t blame them because it is sick of hearing about the sickness. I understand why. I am sick of writing about it. But given that the Labour party won’t hold our leaders to account, it remains a matter of democratic propriety to remind voters that the Brexit movement lied to them.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/19/brexit-purity-breaking-up-union-ask-people-of-belfast

The Leave voters I have spoken to over the last few years are, I suspect, somewhat sheepish about the fact that they caused brexit, but their attitude seems to be that it is "done" and we shouldn't complain about it or even talk about it because it can't be changed.

It is not by any means "done" but enough of it has been done for the damaging effects to be obvious to all but those who keep their heads firmly in the sand.

Year by year we will see more of it being "done" and there are no indications whatsoever that any of it will be good.

Where I live in France, a part that was occupied during the war, there are still divisions. Those families who had members of the resistance and those that collaborated. And the war ended nearly 80 years ago.

I'm not saying that the divisions over Brexit will last as long - nobody has died because of Brexit but the lives of thousands of people have been adversely affected and it will take a long time before they all recover from it.

At one time we were told that there were certain taboo subjects which could not be discussed in polite society - sex, politics and religion.

It now seems that the most taboo subject is brexit.

I put this on the other thread, but think it’s more appropriate here- I see the government is advertising for a “Director of Brexit Opportunities” - implying they either have to find some opportunities - or make some up - or maybe just try to gloss over the fact that there aren’t any and be good at PR spin. Must have zero knowledge of economics, own a load of flags, have a degree in straw clutching.

LOL you did make me giggle there but it is so not funny hey.

I saw that vegansrock. The phrase "you couldn't make it up ... but the Tories just did" is beginning to get a bit worn out, isn't it? Perhaps the "Brexiteers" in the government are beginning to see what they have done and are intent on pushing it onto some poor civil servant.

Brexit will put damage upon damage of the virus and the ones who will feel it most will often be those who voted for it.

Ah vegansrock now we know why we haven't heard from the Brexit cheerleaders on GN today. They are all preparing their applications for Director of Brexit Opportunities.

Wonderful to see that we can all have a good giggle about this disaster. I mean, it gets to a stage when it is just so bad- you just have to survive with humour. Thanks Gill

You are welcome kali2, I was going to say more but decided to keep my powder dry.

The Lake District are having huge problems recruiting enough people in the hospitality industry post Brexit. The care industry is also going to struggle. What a mess it all is , on so many levels.

Ed Davey, responding last December to our "trade deal" with the EU sais-

"This is not really a trade deal at all; it is a loss of trade deal. It is the first trade deal in history to put up barriers to trade. Is that really the Government’s answer to British businesses fearing for their futures and British workers fearing for their jobs? We were told that leaving the EU would cut red tape, but the deal represents the biggest increase in red tape in British history, with 23 new committees to oversee this new trade bureaucracy, 50,000 new customs officials and 400 million new forms. Some analysts estimate the cost of this new red-tape burden for British business at over £20 billion every year. This is not the frictionless trade that the Prime Minister promised."

hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2020-12-30/debates/9E132CEF-83CA-40BA-B8B4-A7127A968B68/details#contribution-FB564AFC-7024-42B5-92C2-AAAC47460A88

It did not take long for that damage to our trade and our economy to become obvious. A disatrous 47% reduction in our exports to the EU.