Birthing People - inclusive or offensive?

Apparently, the Welsh Government is a Stonewall Diversity
Champion, but Whitehall has left Stonewall.

I don’t want to share the public loos with men dressed as women. Which loos do the women changed to men frequent ?

It’s a sad old world we are living in now, where we have to be ultra careful in what we say in case The Woke Brigade is hovering waiting to pounce.

Nankate
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I don't want to share public toilets with any man who decides that he will identify as a woman if he feels like it sometimes, even though he still has all the male accoutrements.

Shops, hospitality venues etc will have to provide men's, women's and unisex toilets if they want women and girls to continue to feel comfortable using them.
They will start to lose customers if they continue pandering to a very tiny minority and ignoring the feelings of the majority.

Callistemon I thnk most younger people don't particularly care. You don't know anyway what is under someone's clothes. And who would use the unisex toilet? You can of course always use the disabled toilet which usually is an individual room.

No you cannot use the disabled toilet. Disabled people need it!

Disabled parking spots are really handy too.

Do you speak for most younger people, trisher?

I think there are many on Mumsnet, for example, who are not relaxed about this and care very much.

Come on then trisher. Are you really advocating that people ignore the needs of the disabled in order to accommodate the transgender agenda?

Can I also draw your attention to the vast number of younger women who attended the Reclaim these Streets vigil.

Young women who were protesting against male violence and oppression.

I thnk most younger people don't particularly care. You have no idea if most younger people about this or not, trisher. The younger people in my world do care actually.

trisher

Rosie51

We know you prefer the two word option, but why offend many others for the sake of another three words? If you really want just two words then pregnant females will accurately cover all options including surrogates, but I imagine some will find that not to their taste.

But not transmen Rosie51

Of course it covers transmen, they have female reproductive organs, how else are they going to gestate a baby?

Of course it covers transmen, they have female reproductive organs, how else are they going to gestate a baby?

They are female and if they have a child in their wombs they are pregnant females.

If they want to trans to men after they have given birth they could then have any female reproductive organs removed.
Answering questions from the child at some future date could prove somewhat tricky.

Trans men are men.

Men are male. Women are female. Trans any sex are whatever they say they are.
Humans with female reproductive organs give birth, males do not.

What will happen is some randy bloke will go into the women’s toilet at a quiet time and say he is trans. He will rape and attack some poor woman and then they will change the rules back again. You just have to wait until the horse bolts.

nanna8 that has already happened to female prisoners, but prisons haven't changed their policy.

The claim, in any case, will simply be that that person wasn't trans, and trans people mustn't be disadvantaged because of them.

Visions of a symbol for a trans toilet here next to the other two.

I think gender neutral toilet provision is important, but why on Earth would someone expect a trans woman to not use the women’s toilets? Nonsense. Trans women are women.

Disabled toilets are usually only accessible if you have a key. They should not be used by non-disabled people in any case.

Years ago most public toilets had an attendant. If this was reinstated perhaps that might be the answer?

IVF notwithstanding, perhaps we ought to start calling men Conception-causing People.

Since women’s toilets are in cubicles, the majority of transwomen would be no problem and it would do them good to learn how long biological females have to queue for the toilet.
What people worry about is the trannie who wishes to use the female facilities, not just toilets, for perverted reasons.
Transwomen are exactly that, no matter how loudly people shout that they are women. Funny how they want instant equality, instant recognition, instant whatever they perceive as their rights, when biological women have had to fight and are still fighting for equality and their rights.

Trans women are women.

Even if they have a penis?

Callistemon

^Of course it covers transmen, they have female reproductive organs, how else are they going to gestate a baby?^

They are female and if they have a child in their wombs they are pregnant females.

If they want to trans to men after they have given birth they could then have any female reproductive organs removed.
Answering questions from the child at some future date could prove somewhat tricky.

So if a transman is pregnant and refuses to identify as a pregnant female they wouldn't be covered by the health provision because the health budget only covered pregnant females?
It shows how ridiculous all this not permitting birthing people is, and all this pontificating about how people must remain the sex they were born and cannot change gender is, when you realise that those shouting loudest about this, denying transmen their rights, and asserting that men are the problem, actualy believe transmen are women, but apparently not women whose views have to be respected and accommodated.

Trans women are women.

In what way are transwomen women? They are all male.

If they were human, adult, and not male, they would be women.