I have just about had enough of these contradictory covid19 regulations.

growstuff

Believe that it's a government plot to control us if it makes you happy. Personally, I believe it's better to look at the facts and do what's right for everybody, which means continuing with restrictions as they are now.

I agree with you in the main, but how can we in all honesty consider restrictions as right for everybody when so many patients are left languishing waiting for operations that we know will help them?
In preference for restrictions that arnt followed universally?

With our vaccination rate as it is, we should look to the future and get back to paying off covid debts and tackling the health crisis.

We cannot evade death from wherever it comes, but we shouldnt force those people who would normally expect to live good lives after a simple procedure to pay the price for the rest of us.

I'm not waiting for ops or procedures, neither is my family BTW

Namsnanny Hospitalisations from Covid are rising. I agree that the NHS needs to clear a backlog of other ops, but it can't while beds are taken up by Covid patients.

One law for some, as usual ....I am particularly annoyed because I always scan the NHS Q covid contact app wherever there is one that I go for a coffee ....went a few weeks back with friends for coffee and cake ....next day I received a text DAY saying I must self isolate for 5 days ....so reluctantly and with difficulty (living on my own small flat, no garden) BUT my friends, who only filled in their details on paper as they forgot to scan the QR code..NEVER received any such message or instruction .....WHY ? makes a mockery of the whole thing ! I know it was that coffee shop because it was reported in the local paper ............I asked someone in M & S coffee shop yesterday and she said it is against the rules not to notify people ...as they must put their phone no on the paper.....she said they should be reported as obviously they should have contacted anyone who put their details down as well as via the QR code...........so angry ! My friends said perhaps it was because by the time the coffee shop got round to ringing everyone (its a very popular sea front cafe) the 5 days were almost up !!!!

We don't need to pay off Covid debts just yet. We run the risk of undoing all the progress made if we're too impatient to "get back to normal".

Yes, ALANaV, it's annoying that your friends weren't told to self-isolate. Hopefully, if they have any common sense and conscience, they self-isolated anyway. Are you suggesting that you shouldn't have done the right thing just because others got away with it?

Weekly Covid hospitalisations are rising but the rate which they are rising by is now slowing.

The week on week growth rate peaking at 48.7% on June 14th and dropped to 20.6% on June 20th, according to Neil Ferguson who has said this is encouraging with ALL data pointing the same way.

growstuff

rosie1959

Rates are increasing but not translating into high hospital admissions and deaths so will all restrictions be lifted on the 19th July ? I cannot really see business and many people in general tolerating them beyond this date
I also hope they change the rules around isolation just because you may have been near someone who tests positive

Not true. Hospital admissions and deaths are rising.

Yes they are slightly but nothing in comparison to the high rates we have seen with the level of infections we have at present
This should not hold back lifting of restrictions and I don’t think for one minute it will if nothing changes
Guess what the vaccine is doing what it was supposed to do now for goodness sake let’s get on with life

I can see we shall have to agree to disagree growstuff

I can excercise, outdoors, with no more than 29 other people. Or, I can go to Silverstone and stand and with 179,999 people.

I can have 5 people in my garden. Or, I can go to a football match and stand with 119,999 other people.

My GC can go to Brownies, Scouts or Guides with 29 other children. Or they can go to schools and colleges with 1019 other children.

It's the nonsensical anomalies such as these that make people cross and frustrated and question the validity of the "guidance" we're being given.

You don't seem to understand exponential growth. I agree that hospital admissions are nowhere near what they were at the peak - yet! However, that's with some restrictions still in place. Nobody knows what would happen if all restrictions were to be lifted. It's not worth the risk, which is why I believe a cautious approach is needed.

Just because you are OK, it doesn't mean that all adults and schoolchildren are vaccinated or that people in other parts of the country don't live in hotspots. As yet, it's not known how long the effects of vaccination will last and whether they are effective against all variants. They're not the foolproof magic bullet some people believe them to be.

I'm getting on with my life just fine, thanks. Any restrictions are currently minor. I would rather put up with a few restrictions than risk the whole thing taking off again.

But Chewbacca you're an intelligent person and can work out for yourself that the risks aren't worth it. Just because others do it, doesn't mean you have to. Some people get drunk every night, smoke like chimneys, eat rubbish and snort coke. It doesn't mean you or I are forced to do the same.

Who are you replying to growstuff?

No, you're not. I'm the same - if I went to a footy pub I could sing and shout, but in church it's no singing and mumble through your mask. Just about had enough of it.

Good to see some people are querying the ‘science’ and the narrative. I can’t understand why there hasn’t been an enquiry into the safety of the jabs. According to the government’s yellow card system, there have now been nearly a million serious adverse events and over 1300 deaths and yet no one is raising concerns.

Growstuff the restrictions may be minor to you and you are OK with them The same cannot be said of many businesses running at reduced capacity or no capacity at all
We will see as I am pretty sure all restrictions will lift in 3 weeks
There are many far more educated than me who say they can see no reason to delay any further perhaps they don’t understand exponential growth either .

GrannyGravy13

Weekly Covid hospitalisations are rising but the rate which they are rising by is now slowing.

The week on week growth rate peaking at 48.7% on June 14th and dropped to 20.6% on June 20th, according to Neil Ferguson who has said this is encouraging with ALL data pointing the same way.

I agree that hospital admissions are no reason to panic, but they are rising and could take off. Nobody knows.

PS. What's all this "getting on with life" stuff? I know you think I have a boring life GrannyGravy, but I disagree. Maybe it just means that I'm resilient and/or not that bothered by what I regard as fripperies.

At the beginning of all this, I posted that I can't afford to go out that much anyway, so I thought I might not be affected so much as others. People responded that I was wrong, but it seems that I wasn't wrong at all. I can't say I find it pleasant, but I had to learn to live with restrictions on how I'd really like to live my life long before Covid came along.

My attitude is that the people who can't cope with a few restrictions are the ones who should "get a life".

rosie1959

Growstuff the restrictions may be minor to you and you are OK with them The same cannot be said of many businesses running at reduced capacity or no capacity at all
We will see as I am pretty sure all restrictions will lift in 3 weeks
There are many far more educated than me who say they can see no reason to delay any further perhaps they don’t understand exponential growth either .

If businesses suddenly lift all restrictions, they could find that they don't have a business at all. They should stop behaving like toddlers.

GillT57 I do feel for your friends. My DD was due to get married at Easter 2020. A year earlier they looked at some venues as everyone said it can be hard to book specific dates. Well they loved a venue and the wedding planner at the venue phoned them and said she'd had a cancellation for Easter 2019 just a few weeks away, were they interested and there was a big discount. So they grabbed. it. With all that has happened I am so relieved they didn't wait till 2020 and I feel so sorry for all the couples who have had such a terrible time.

They could always have 2,500 UEFA officials there, that wouldn't be a risk would it.

Anne2108

Good to see some people are querying the ‘science’ and the narrative. I can’t understand why there hasn’t been an enquiry into the safety of the jabs. According to the government’s yellow card system, there have now been nearly a million serious adverse events and over 1300 deaths and yet no one is raising concerns.

What's your source that there have been 1300 deaths from vaccinations?

If businesses suddenly lift all restrictions, they could find that they don't have a business at all. They should stop behaving like toddlers.

Many have gone out of business already due to the lockdowns and restrictions and particularly because they are told one thing then another and don't know where they are.

They should stop behaving like toddlers.

That is a particularly crass thing to say under the circumstances. Obviously you have not run a business which has been closed/opened/closed during a pandemic.

They should stop behaving like toddlers.

That is a particularly crass thing to say under the circumstances. Obviously you have not run a business which has been closed/opened/closed during a pandemic

Nor felt a responsibility towards any employees.

growstuff as someone who has managed to keep their business open in some form throughout this flipping pandemic I find your comment They should stop behaving like toddlers extremely naive and frankly bl**dy insulting.

Growstuff pretty obvious you know nothing about business
I find your comment about behaving like toddlers beyond belief

GrannyGravy13

growstuff as someone who has managed to keep their business open in some form throughout this flipping pandemic I find your comment They should stop behaving like toddlers extremely naive and frankly bl**dy insulting.

So I assume you have made various adaptations to the way you run your business which has helped it to survive and I’m pleased for you and hope you continue to survive. But we must all adapt in different ways and, imo we must learn to live with a new normal which is maintaining social distancing where possible, wearing masks in public places etc etc. Animals that don’t adapt become extinct. This virus thrives on complacency and it’s not going away. And we must all behave in a way that is fir the good of all of us, not just focussing on our own lives. We’re all in this together and will have to work together to get through it. And yes, I do need to understand the problems that businesses are facing. At the same time I’d like people to respect those of us that do wish to continue with measures that will reduce the spread of the virus in our own way.

Oh, I know this is going to get me in trouble. Just call me a risk taker.

You don't seem to understand exponential growth.

I understand what exponential growth is. It isn't a synonym for "really fast". This is not exponential growth because the next number in the sequence is not dependent on the one that comes before.

Its the vaccine that is restraining the growth in both deaths and hospitalisations. The restrictions are there now to keep levels as low as possible until we get as many people vaccinated as possible.

If, once all the target groups are vaccinated, we still have to live with restrictions, I will be wanting to know what the plan is. If there are not enough hospital beds, what's the plan for making sure there are in the future. It's been 18 months. A bit of forward planning in Government wouldn't go amiss.