RNLI and Farage

Wait until climate change really takes affect.

We ain’t seen nothing yet.

Climate migrants will put this into real perspective.

@frenchie. I know it’s off topic but I have heard and seen numerous interviews with BLM activists in which they themselves use the phrase ‘all lives matter’. To put this into context they mean that if we put more value on black lives and those of all marginalised communities, then everyone benefits. I saw one person give an excellent example, saying that if they could effect change that ensures black people are treated fairly and humanely when they enter the (American) justice system, then everyone benefits from that change. I have used the phrase ‘all lives matter’ in this context in support of this.

Can I just ask, so really directed at WWM, Alegrias, Lucca, and a few others I’m sure. Is it Farage you object to? Or what he said? So if Kier Starmer had said it, would you agree?

Don’t get me wrong, Farage is a ‘ weasel faced arse’. To quote a popular tv series, but I agree with what he said. How can you not?

The RNLI is a voluntary group of people, putting their lives at risk. Whilst I feel very sad at the plight of people around the world, and would love to scoop them all up, and bring them here, it’s not possible.

I think you just see certain people, and then ‘ have a go’. Regardless of what they say. You should be careful doing this. You might miss something that would really have benefited you.

The question you should be asking is why the SNSM are allowing over filled boats go into dangerous lanes on the sea to come here. They should be stopping them for taking the journey. If police saw an over filled car they would stop the journey so why aren’t they. He wasn’t knocking the RNLI so you clearly didn’t watch what he said.

25Avalon

libra10

In the GB News programme, Nigel Farage also stated that he was proud to have helped the RNLI to raise money in the past.

He wasn't having a dig at the RNLI, he was annoyed that the French were doing so little at stopping these boats leaving the coast, and also about the traffickers who are paid £1000s for a place on a dinghy or whatever.

How biased this thread has become!

And no-one has questioned about what will happen to these people once reaching the UK shore.

How many houses will need to be built?
How much NHS help will be needed?
Which schools will their children attend?

We are a small over-populated country, our resources are bursting at the seams!

When they reach the shore all those posters in favour of them coming are going to-

Pay an extra 20% tax

Share their house

Not complain if they can’t get an NHS appointment because the service is oversubscribed

Agree to have umpteen houses built on the green belt around them because there is nowhere else.

And the rest. No complaints.

?

People are giving extra money to the RNLI - looks like they are going to need it.

Who is phoning the coast guard claiming people are in trouble? Looking at the RNLI YouTube video they show 'rough seas' but when it comes to picking up people in danger the see is calm. So who is shouting help? If this is in French waters then the UK coastguard won't be able to see them. If it is the people traffickers phoning the UK coastguard then it is the RNLI are being played! If this practice becomes successful then the RNLI are going to get a lot more calls - and will need more boats.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZgskb-TrpE

Put it this way, how long before a child (your DGC) is swept out to sea and lost because the local RNLI boat is 40 miles away helping a group of people putting themselves in danger deliberately.

Every cloud has a silver lining

Donations to the RNLI are up by at least 3,000%!

Well done Nigel - have you never heard of the The Law of Unintended Consequences?

Callistemon

Every cloud has a silver lining

Donations to the RNLI are up by at least 3,000%!

Well done Nigel - have you never heard of the The Law of Unintended Consequences?

It needs to be up, as Holysox says, they’re going to need more boats. Only hope they have enough people to man them.

Also how do we know that the migrants are all deserving cases and there are not terrorist among them who in time could carry out an outrage and kill many people in the UK.

Just as the interpreters in Afghanistan who have supported our soldiers and are now waiting to be allowed to come to our country. Somebody had read somewhere that some of them have committed crimes. They are interpreters and must have been educated but never mind, they could come over her and commit more crimes.

Husband always has donated to RNLI and still does, even though he had to sell his boat because he had a stroke. The RNLI don'tcare who you are, they will always try to save lives, with no thought to their own safety. Good people

DiscoDancer1975

Can I just ask, so really directed at WWM, Alegrias, Lucca, and a few others I’m sure. Is it Farage you object to? Or what he said? So if Kier Starmer had said it, would you agree?

Don’t get me wrong, Farage is a ‘ weasel faced arse’. To quote a popular tv series, but I agree with what he said. How can you not?

The RNLI is a voluntary group of people, putting their lives at risk. Whilst I feel very sad at the plight of people around the world, and would love to scoop them all up, and bring them here, it’s not possible.

I think you just see certain people, and then ‘ have a go’. Regardless of what they say. You should be careful doing this. You might miss something that would really have benefited you.

I object to anyone trying to use the RNLI or any other well-respected charitable institution to further their own nasty little xenophobic idea of politics. How can I not agree with it? Becuase its all lies.

I can't answer the Starmer question, because he would never have said it, would he? Wondering why you chose Starmer, but I'll leave that up to people who can actually make sensible evaluations of things.

I think you just see certain people, and then ‘ have a go’. Do you? You mean like you seeing "WWM, Alegrias, Lucca" , and assuming we are all stupid enough to criticise an ex-politician with an axe to grind without listening to what he said?

Pot, kettle.

Saving another's life if you are able to is a basic human instinct for most, (some exceptions obviously and to some it seems to depend on the endangered person's ethnicity). No RNLI volunteer would stand by and watch others drown because they came from the 'wrong' country. If people believe it should not be these brave volunteers who have to save them, then better you harangue the government and campaign for professional boats to be deployed. Moaning that it shouldn't be down to the RNLI does nothing. Decent people would not stand on the side and watch others drown because they come from the 'wrong part of the world.' Wonderful programme on Radio 4 this morning, The Spark, featuring Karen Stenner, offering great insight into the authoritarian personality that cannot accept difference. Highly recommend, don't think I'm too off track from OP's post! Garage appeals to such minded people, exploiting their fears, odious toad.

Garage hmmm, obviously meant our despicable Nigel

25Avalon

It’s ironic some of the abuse on here from certain posters towards other posters or politicians they do not agree with is just as bad as that used by trolls they complain about.

That is spot on, well said.

Why do People always get bogged down in semantics? I don't agree that all these on the sea are actually' in peril' although it's not a good idea to cross channel in any small vessels.i don't agree with misusing the RNLI . I don't agree with us shelling out to the French when it's a EU wide problem and they have the seemingly bottomless pit of EU funds with which to address this issue-which has been 'urgent' for years! This particular gov is doing the only thing it usually does with something they aren't prepared to try and find a working solution for(unles it's NHS crisis/shortage of cops/housing shortage et Al) and that's - chuck money at it and it's going to go away! They're utterly clueless!!! EU countries are keeping their heads deeply in the sand and trying to push the whole sorry issue onto UK shoulders purely because we're the "end of the line" the whole of the world needs to get a firm grip and fund breaking the stranglehold of human trafficking, destroying the markets for it and helping to maintain peace in the home countries for these refugees. The one thing I will comment though, the VAST majority of seafarers appear to be single, male, and in a hurry to secrete their I.D. and run off very quickly having been 'landed' ....just an observation.

DiscoDancer1975

Can I just ask, so really directed at WWM, Alegrias, Lucca, and a few others I’m sure. Is it Farage you object to? Or what he said? So if Kier Starmer had said it, would you agree?

Don’t get me wrong, Farage is a ‘ weasel faced arse’. To quote a popular tv series, but I agree with what he said. How can you not?

The RNLI is a voluntary group of people, putting their lives at risk. Whilst I feel very sad at the plight of people around the world, and would love to scoop them all up, and bring them here, it’s not possible.

I think you just see certain people, and then ‘ have a go’. Regardless of what they say. You should be careful doing this. You might miss something that would really have benefited you.

I listened to the whole video including where he wondered if the RNLI might be employing the same PR Agency as
Harry and Meghan so I didn’t miss anything

Alegrias1

DiscoDancer1975

Can I just ask, so really directed at WWM, Alegrias, Lucca, and a few others I’m sure. Is it Farage you object to? Or what he said? So if Kier Starmer had said it, would you agree?

Don’t get me wrong, Farage is a ‘ weasel faced arse’. To quote a popular tv series, but I agree with what he said. How can you not?

The RNLI is a voluntary group of people, putting their lives at risk. Whilst I feel very sad at the plight of people around the world, and would love to scoop them all up, and bring them here, it’s not possible.

I think you just see certain people, and then ‘ have a go’. Regardless of what they say. You should be careful doing this. You might miss something that would really have benefited you.

I object to anyone trying to use the RNLI or any other well-respected charitable institution to further their own nasty little xenophobic idea of politics. How can I not agree with it? Becuase its all lies.

I can't answer the Starmer question, because he would never have said it, would he? Wondering why you chose Starmer, but I'll leave that up to people who can actually make sensible evaluations of things.

I think you just see certain people, and then ‘ have a go’. Do you? You mean like you seeing "WWM, Alegrias, Lucca" , and assuming we are all stupid enough to criticise an ex-politician with an axe to grind without listening to what he said?

Pot, kettle.

it’s all lies. Is it? Ok, I’ll take your word for that.
because he never would have said it wouldn’t he? Ok, I’ll take your word for that too!
You are the one who talks down to people Alegrias. Is that because we’re all stupid? Or perhaps just don’t agree with you.
You seem to be fixated on Xenophobia. Seen you mention it a few times. Not nice to accuse people of being that.

Alegrias1 "I think you just see certain people, and then ‘ have a go’. Do you? You mean like you seeing "WWM, Alegrias, Lucca" , and assuming we are all stupid enough to criticise an ex-politician with an axe to grind without listening to what he said?"

I think Discodancer is fully justified. I posted the MailOnline as they had made similar concerns as Nigel Farage - but this has been ignored and I am left feeling this thread has been set up as a 'rant at Farage' posted by WWM2 and picked up by a small group of familiar names. (I think varians initial post highlights this)

This is a difficult situation. No-one wants peoples lives put at risk - refugee or otherwise - and haven't read anyone who is criticising the RNLI but there is legitimate concern over what is happening in the Channel. If people traffickers are abusing our RNLI then Nigel Farage is right to call on the UK and French Governments to step in.

Chestnut

Thank you 25Avalon. You have actually taken time to listen to the point being made instead of frothing about some perceived injustice. As far as I can see it is you and other previous posters who are being disingenuous WWM2, throwing missiles without establishing whether the target is actually the enemy at all. My comment was quite sincere.

Well said Chestnut & Avalon

I do wish people would read everything through before rushing to reply.

I've thought for a long time that Farage is the most successful UK politician of the 21st Century. He's pretty much got what he wanted, hasn't he?

You're all being played, and you don't see it. There is legitimate concern about what's happening in the Channel, but not what you think.

If you think I'm talking down to you, tough. Just call me Cassandra.

He makes my flesh crawl. Everything about him disgusts me. If he’s on the tv I have to leave the room.

Do I have an opinion about Farage that means that my views are biased?

Well, yes I think you can say exactly that, but no different to how I feel about other fascists.

A look at his history will tell you everything as to why I distrust everything he says and does.

His facist ideology was formed as a child, and he has never deviated from this throughout his adult life.

He was well known at school for his facist outlook, the headmaster queried whether his promotion to prefect was appropriate given his views and his encouragement of fellow CCPs to sing Hitler youth songs when marching.

UKIP was a far right political party, which was anti-immigration.

As an MEP, he boasted that he took over £2million in tax payers money and a salary of £64000, for which he did nothing, largely failing to attend the Parliament.

His racist remarks are well known including that he thought many Muslim immigrants were coming here to take us over.
He also supports Powell’s “rivers of blood” speech.
He said he feels uncomfortable sitting near people who spoke a different language.
He would be concerned if Romanian immigrant moved next door.
He blamed immigrants for a late attendance at an event he was at saying that the M4 is not as navigable as it used to be.
People with HIV should be banned from immigration.
He announced that women who leave work to have a child and then return to work are worth less than if they had remained at work. He also questions the use of maternity leave.
He considers Putin a brilliant operator particularly in Syria.
He defended a UKIP candidate for racist remarks against the Chinese.
We then were subjected to the anti-immigration poster entitled a”breaking point”
He boasted that Brexit had happened “without an bullet being fired” a couple of days after aJoe Cox was killed.

He supports Trump and described Obama as a loathsome creature
He has close links to Bannon.
He has anti-Semitic views
He described climate change as a scam.

His politics are diametrically apposed to everything I believe.

That and much else is why I entirely distrust everything Farage says, rather like I would have distrusted everything Hitler said.

Opposed!

We just need the 'they are all wearing good quality clothes, lifejackets and have the latest i-phone and then I shall cry HOUSE! on the Farage Bingo game. Have any of his supporters asked why P Patel's parents were able to apply for and get residence and nationality as economic migrants? Her Father repaid this kindness by standing as a UKIP candidate a few years back.

My late mother in law would have been incensed, she received an honour for 45 years fundraising for the RNLI, even though landlocked in mid Cheshire. We were all well versed in the amazing work they do.
This insulting behaviour is a disgrace and I hope the people responsible are publicly shamed.
To our delight she is to be remembered on a lifeboat in Norfolk before long. She would have been thrilled to bits.