Prince Andrew is being sued

Doodledog

25Avalon

It’s not a criminal case so they can’t extradite him.

How is it not a criminal case? If it's not, it definitely should be, which is not to prejudge his guilt or innocence, but the charge should definitely be a criminal one.

It’s a civil law case being brought by Virginia Guiffre. It has not been brought by the authorities who have laid no criminal charges against PA so extradition rules don’t apply.

But she kept coming back for more, they all liked the money i don't think we will ever get to the truth of exactly what happened there

Maddison

But she kept coming back for more, they all liked the money i don't think we will ever get to the truth of exactly what happened there

Oh for God's sake - they were minors. Even if they were having a great time if it happened it would still be a crime. Why do people find that so hard to understand.?

bangs head on wall. slowly.

WTF? She kept coming back for more? I'm really shocked that someone would say that. It does none of you any credit whatsoever to say such a thing.

if she were your GD, would you say, later when it all came out, but darling why didn't you tell me, why didn't you come to me.
but granny, she says, i'd been reading your posts on GN.....

Maddison

But she kept coming back for more, they all liked the money i don't think we will ever get to the truth of exactly what happened there

I have no words if that is what you really think/feel

25Avalon you’re right, I posted an explanation earlier in the thread to identify this. The civil case isn’t a criminal case, it’s essentially a compensation claim.

Differences in Punishment
Civil cases generally only result in monetary damages or orders to do or not do something, known as injunctions. Note that a criminal case may involve both jail time and monetary punishments in the form of fines. In general, because criminal cases have greater consequences - the possibility of jail and even death - criminal cases have many more protections in place and are harder to prove. Here’s the salient section.

The Standard of Proof
Crimes must generally be proved "beyond a reasonable doubt", whereas civil cases are proved by lower standards of proof such as "the preponderance of the evidence" (which essentially means that it was more likely than not that something occurred in a certain way). The difference in standards exists because civil liability is considered less blameworthy and because the punishments are less severe.

Unfortunately when I read threads like these I'm reminded how closed minded people are about abuse and grooming

I am sick of reading the why is she only naming Andrew posts as if that lets him off the hook. He was besties with Epstein and his girl friend for years. Regardless of Guiffre's motivation he has left himself wide open to this type of exposure and he has to face the consequences.

H1954

Is this woman a friend of Megan's by any chance?

What a nasty, small minded remark.

Anniebach

So many men allegedly involved yet she chooses not to name an American, would it have been easier to sue an American rather than a man from another country, she wants justice , why make it more difficult.

Is this a serious question?

Hmmm bob raped me, but Carl was there and lives in my country, so ill sue Carl instead?

Can you for once not defend a member of the Royal family?

This is a very poor look on you.

Alegrias1

WTF? She kept coming back for more? I'm really shocked that someone would say that. It does none of you any credit whatsoever to say such a thing.

You shouldn’t be.

So many people are basically saying the same.

Women’s harshest critics are always other women

Parsley I am sick of reading ‘ asking why she is only naming
Andrew as if that let’s him off’

Asking about one of the Kray twins doesn’t mean one thinks the other twin is innocent, it may for you but not for me.

I know Summerlove, but seeing it in the flesh, so to speak...

I've got news for you Annie You're not being clever.

Some posters on here are like a mob baying for blood when no-one other than the parties concerned knows all the facts. One poster even suggested the claimant was the same age as Andrew’s daughters - he wasn’t even married at the time. The anger of the mob is frightening to behold. I suspect much of it arises purely because a member of the RF is involved - posters may remember his bravery in the Falklands War but no, I’m not excusing him because of that because there is nothing to excuse until proven otherwise in a court of law, not the court of public opinion.

Actually if it makes you feel any better I would feel the same about my local plumber. But then older men behaving this way with teenagers makes me feel sick. What does he was not married at the time have to do with anything.

Nothing at all.
He was older, rich and in a position of power.

Perhaps rich didn't have so much to do with it but it certainly helped.

Galaxy

Actually if it makes you feel any better I would feel the same about my local plumber. But then older men behaving this way with teenagers makes me feel sick. What does he was not married at the time have to do with anything.

I imagine you may see how older men behave with young adult females who have learning disabilities and to be honest when you have witnessed that, there is no making excuses any more for men and how they can behave

I feel like I am going to get into trouble for posting this but its true (and I have sons, a husband )

One poster even suggested the claimant was the same age as Andrew’s daughters - he wasn’t even married at the time.

Andrew and Sarah married: 1986, divorced 1998
Beatrice born 1988
Eugenie born 1990
Alleged attacks; 2001

Being divorced does not give anyone carte blanche to act how they like. If he committed a crime, he needs to pay for it, There was 5 years between Beatrice and Virginia. Respect for a man's war record doesn't mean he gets to disregard the law.

Check your facts before you start throwing around accusations of mob rule. Nobody, not one person here, has said that they are out for Andrew's blood or asked for him to be judged without a real legal process. Lots of people have tried to discredit Giuffre, say she's only in it for the money, cast doubt on her morals. Its those people who are the mob, not those asking for justice. Don't kid yourself that he's being picked on for being a Prince.

I havent seen it personally thank God Jane, but yes some of the most vulnerable in our society. Although I I have just seen a job advertised in my area by a charity whose function is to provide advocacy support and counselling to young women with a learning disability who have been assaulted, whilst depressing that this was needed it was the first time I had seen such an organisation with only that specific remit, and I was relieved that level of support was out there.

Germanshepherdsmum

Some posters on here are like a mob baying for blood when no-one other than the parties concerned knows all the facts. One poster even suggested the claimant was the same age as Andrew’s daughters - he wasn’t even married at the time. The anger of the mob is frightening to behold. I suspect much of it arises purely because a member of the RF is involved - posters may remember his bravery in the Falklands War but no, I’m not excusing him because of that because there is nothing to excuse until proven otherwise in a court of law, not the court of public opinion.

This is rubbish! PA was indeed married at the time of the alleged offences and had two young daughters not very much younger than the young woman in the infamous photo. Remember his 'alibi' for the evening that photo was said to be taken? Pizza Hut in Woking with daughter. When I first saw the photo I just thought it so odd that three such high profile and rich people (Jeffrey Epstein is said to have captured the image) were choosing to spend time in a private house with a young American girl from a sad and deprived background - it just does not make sense in 'normal' life. Why was she there and what for? It seems very likely this vulnerable teenager was being prostituted and if PA was involved then no amount of war bravery should protect him from justice. Traffic of people in this way is not legal in the UK, the Met should be involved.

galaxy , there are so many issues because of apps and the internet facebook but other apps. I have known of several girls who have just fallen under the radar who have 'gone missing' for a few days with a man and I know I'm not a professional but it does make me question where best interests decisions come in and whether these decisions made are made with capacity

Nacky Great post.