Brexit

GillT57

^I've been waiting since June for French doors to be fitted^. Well there's your problem Morrlandmooner, you should have been patriotic and ordered British doors.

That made me laugh Thank you. I'm feeling rather unwell at present.

Oh, I'm so ashamed. (Not.)

I didn’t say you should feel ashamed, I said it’s a shame the fanatical remainers have driven people off GN.
I’m sure you love every minute of your brexit attacking life, you certainly spend a lot of time doing it.
Have you thought about getting a hobby?

GrannyGravy13

Alegrias1 not all GN members who voted leave are rude, or name call, as not all GN members who voted remain are rude.

I go out of my way not to be rude, and when on occasion I have been called patronising I calmly post my reasoning behind my post, only for the pile on to continue.

get out of the kitchen remark is not worthy of someone like you who relishes debate.

I've had enough GG13

Its impossible to be reasoned when posters tell you you are bigoted, that you should go to China, that you're a bully boy. All because you won't accept their misinformed views and intransigence as a reasonable point of view.

I like a fact; so when people come on here spouting the same old rubbish from the Daily Express I've no time for it.

Stay in the kitchen if they want to argue like grown ups. Not interested if they don't.

Kandinsky

*Oh, I'm so ashamed. (Not.)*

I didn’t say you should feel ashamed, I said it’s a shame the fanatical remainers have driven people off GN.
I’m sure you love every minute of your brexit attacking life, you certainly spend a lot of time doing it.
Have you thought about getting a hobby?

So close to being reported.

Considering my options.

Today I spoke to a young woman who was complaining about the horrendous amount of extra beaurocracy involved in exporting British dairy products to the EU.

She was appalled at the effect on the company she worked for and thought brexit was utter nonsense.

I don't think she'll be old enough to join GN for 25 years or so.

GrannyGravy13

growstuff does it make you feel better when you are rude to posters?

Being proud of part of a group who have hounded members off of GN should be something any decent human would be ashamed of?

Fine bit of pot/kettle there. Why are those of you who voted to leave so aggressive? Is it because in your heart of hearts you know you have been had? Do you really, seriously think that the ERG had your future in mind when they convinced you to vote to leave? I will ask again, as many have already; just what advantages did you think you were going to gain from leaving the EU? Bonfire of regulations? Getting rid of foreigners?

Well Brexit didn't crash the economy, it didn't knowingly send 20,000 pensioners into care homes to wipe out even more pensioners and it certainly hasn't affected the immunity of almost 3/4 if the UK population. Or maybe some people just haven't got over leaving the EU.

Kandinsky

*Oh, I'm so ashamed. (Not.)*

I didn’t say you should feel ashamed, I said it’s a shame the fanatical remainers have driven people off GN.
I’m sure you love every minute of your brexit attacking life, you certainly spend a lot of time doing it.
Have you thought about getting a hobby?

Just out of interest, and because we know just how much the leaver was/are into fact and detail, who left because they voted "leave" in the referendum.

It's so easy to throw insults. How about proving there is any truth in them. A reference to the post where they say that is why they are leaving will do otherwise I shall continue to believe no such thing has happened and it is another leaver attempt at fake news.

GillT57 I am not an aggressive poster.

I have given my reasons for voting leave so many times over the years, and constantly been derided for them.

Do I feel that I have been had only time will tell.

Well Brexit didn't crash the economy...

errrr.....

I've just wandered on to Mumsnet and can't see much about Brexit. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place.

They have a whole forum. Interesting reading. Not sure they are entirely over it yet. Top topic today - empty shelves.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_

I did click on the Mumsnet link they seem more interested in Cats and Football but there was one that is worth reading.

“Yes we were net contributors - our club membership fee - amounted to less than 1% of our GDP comparable to the aid budget.
- but for that fee we gained free access to countries representing around one third of global GDP - that alone was worth the fee - the huge raft of other benefits and our leading position in the club being cherry on the cake.

We will never again gain free access to that proportion of global GDP, the remaining 2/3rds is too fragmented to let us do that.”

I went on there and there was a link for the best vibrators so of course I had to look.

I find that I’m accused of aggression when the accusers have no argument.

I argue forcefully maybe but I’m not aggressive.

I would be more than happy in fact thrilled to be told the benefits of Brexit and that all my fears were wrong.

What I find very irritating is that when a poster makes a statement like this:

"They really do need to get a grip and explain why our economy is outpacing the other European countries, particularly as they made such a pig’s ear of their vaccination programme with all theirspite driven lies which have dangerously backfired and have put many lives unnecessarily at risk.”

and that poster is challenged and asked to clarify there is rarely a reply.

But perhaps, Kamiso, you can give us evidence that shows our economy is growing faster. Can you also explain how European countries' spite driven lies have put many lives at risk.

I think we need to know.

I have realised I take things very literal as every time Kandinsky posts I think she/he is Ukrainian and I'm at the posts

Brexit has been done and dusted, there is NO going back. Its time you all stopped being so dogmatic about your choices, leavers and remainers. I find these forums so bitter, nasty, rude and bullying.

Get on with life as it is. Covid is stopping a lot of deliveries, as well as EU Red tape bolshiness. Oh and by the way my dentist is Polish!

I voted to leave.. My reasons were financial.. Fed up with Britain funding 2 lots of parliment, 2 courts, funding whole countries going bust. Other EU countries not following the rules but expecting Briatain to... I could go on and on.. and show evidence... but I can't honestly be bothered, because some of you are just too bitter to accept that a larger number than you voted to leave the EU.

Zoejory I think you are mistaken about young people not discussing Brexit any more. Three of my children are unbelievably vocal about it. One is livid whenever it pops up...

They may not be in their teens anymore but they are in their 30s so still have a life ahead of them (we all hope).

I am hoping we will rejoin in due course. Probably not in my lifetime- but eventually.
We will never again have the great terms and conditions that we have given up, but half of something is better than the whole of nothing... in my opinion.

Given that there has been some discussion on here about testing cosmetics on animals again in the UK - thanks to Brexit letting the UK take back control, I thought this might be of interest to some.

It's just a petition - please remove if this isn't appropriate.

speakout.38degrees.org.uk/campaigns/do-not-test-uk-cosmetics-on-animals?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=blast2021-08-12&submit=true

Its a travesty, a true crime. Our Country is not what I would ever have wished for my Grandchildren...Its so despairing being ruled by crooks and thieves.

sparkynan

Brexit has been done and dusted, there is NO going back. Its time you all stopped being so dogmatic about your choices, leavers and remainers. I find these forums so bitter, nasty, rude and bullying.

Get on with life as it is. Covid is stopping a lot of deliveries, as well as EU Red tape bolshiness. Oh and by the way my dentist is Polish!

I voted to leave.. My reasons were financial.. Fed up with Britain funding 2 lots of parliment, 2 courts, funding whole countries going bust. Other EU countries not following the rules but expecting Briatain to... I could go on and on.. and show evidence... but I can't honestly be bothered, because some of you are just too bitter to accept that a larger number than you voted to leave the EU.

Interesting post sparkynan - I am sad you feel these forums are nasty, etc.

I wonder if as a society we were "bullied" into Brexit Referendum by those who were going to make the most money or celebrity appeal from it - from Farage to Johnson and Richard Tice.

We have never had the benefits explained as part of the "sales pitch" - it was never sold to us, and neither were the consequences, great or small, covered in any detail. There was a great deal of jingoistic speech, but little or no substance.

Your last paragraph about your reasons contains a couple of incorrect statements about Britain funding 2 parliaments, 2 courts, and funding whole countries going bust, etc. By contrast the EU Structural Funds - which 27 EU states contributed to, covered much of the regeneration in Merseyside. Funds were paid directly to businesses as grants - I know, because I was involved in a very small way with some projects.

These were successes that actually took place - remarkably similar to Boris Johnson's "Levelling Up" policy/idea.

I am not bitter that we have left the EU, I just don't see any benefit at all - even the Financial Services Sector, based in London, and which makes up 80% of our GDP is seeing some decline in its position globally.

The 100s of myths propagated over years before the referendum - including Boris Johnson's infantile idea that the EU regulations would stop Britain making prawn cocktail flavour crisps - is at the heart of the problem. For evidence, like yourself, I have found it challenging to drag the details into the spotlight, but I have found this link useful:

infacts.org/mythbust/

https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202108/medium-713118-e8ibjjgweaear-m.jpg https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202108/medium-219459-e8iv1xawqaqsb03.jpg https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202108/medium-59278-e8j4epfxoaqveew.jpg

I know I said that I don't do Twitter but I ended up down a rabbit hole on Mumsnet. I just though this was interesting.

Lies, damned lies, and the Daily Express.

Leavers have stopped posting because they can't tell us what the benefits are to leaving the EU. So they've just kept quiet.

Unfortunately, most of them seem to have voted tory, as well, so they'll find the threads about the current government pretty hostile, too. So keeping quiet there, too.

But I can't say that I've noticed that they've left Gnet en masse. There's always going to be a fluid membership, some come, some go, some stay for ever.

Ludicrous to say that we'll never rejoin the EU. I think that we will once we get a more sensible government which actually cares about the economy and the wellbeing of UK citizens. It'll be progressive, Single Market first.

In the meantime, will someone please tell us what the benefits are of leaving?

I expect I'll get panned for this, but here goes...

I think people think they are telling everybody the benefits of leaving; it was costing us money, they didn't play by the rules, Germany wanted to be in charge of us, we got our vaccines quicker. All those things and more.

But when we disagree and when the error in those assertions is pointed out, we're accused of bitterness, spite, bigotry ().

People will write books about this.

So close to being reported

Considering my options

You couldn’t get anymore passive aggressive if you tried.
Report away. I’ll be pointing out your posts for HQ to look at.