Who is paying for it then?

JaneJudge

it costs 25k a week, I think it is fair to ask who is paying for it hen there are multiple posts resenting paying for social care for vulnerable people!

But if it belongs to "a friend" who has loaned it no-one is paying, the friend has lost £25,000, if that is the cost. It might have stayed empty anyway if no-one had booked it this week.

As someone in another group pointed out Marbella is where all the crooks hide out so at least he's chosen the right place.
Yes, we've stayed there a few times!

MayBeMaw

Kali2

MayBeMaw

Scones

My objection is to noses in the trough whoever's doing it.

“Plus ça change” etc etc.
I agree, but somehow it’s is only BJ who seems to arouse some people’s ire

Do remind us please, who is our current PM, right here, right now. And how long ago was Blair- and how relevant he is now? Is Blair responsible for this terrible debacle- or was it Cameron- oh and Johnson. Seems to make sense to blame them, at this moment- no?

No

Thanks for this gem of an insightful reply.

We will then have to agree to very strongly disagree. As you say, plus ça change ...

Leaving aside the timing and the questions over who paid for the holiday, I think it is deeply insensitive of people to keep going on about how the Johnsons 'need' a holiday, at a time when the government has cut £1040 a year from the already limited budgets of the poorest in society.

A family (which may well include people in work, or with a disabled parent or child) trying to get through the week on £20 less is very likely to need a holiday, but a clapped out caravan in Cleethorpes will be out of reach.

Johnson himself is obviously unable to read the room, or to give a flying frog about the fact that his policies have led to the crises that are making, or will come to make the lives of many families even more difficult, but that is no longer a surprise. Hearing his fan base condone this, and support his flagrant disregard for the feelings of those who are suffering is really worrying, though, as it highlights the gap between the 'haves' and 'have nots', and shows how little the latter care about the former.

Nobody 'needs' a holiday. Yes, there are times when any of us can really want one, but as my mother always said, wanting isn't needing.

have you had a 25k pw holiday in the last 2 years?
vast majority would reply no

have you had 14 holidays in the last 2 years?
almost everyone replies no, no?

who has paid for your holidays whilst you have been whinging about your low pay and going on about building beavers?
no one apart from you Boris

Borace wimp

Isn’t it all about setting an example. And the country is in crisis. Some factories might have to (hopefully temporarily) close down in the near future because of the energy crisis. I assume it’s because of the energy one not one of the other ones. And this is on top of Raab being on holiday when the Taliban were taking over Afghanistan. Which he was (sort of) sacked over.

Callistemon

JaneJudge

it costs 25k a week, I think it is fair to ask who is paying for it hen there are multiple posts resenting paying for social care for vulnerable people!

But if it belongs to "a friend" who has loaned it no-one is paying, the friend has lost £25,000, if that is the cost. It might have stayed empty anyway if no-one had booked it this week.

As someone in another group pointed out Marbella is where all the crooks hide out so at least he's chosen the right place.
Yes, we've stayed there a few times!

surely gifting could be manipulation or even bribery ???or even <gasp> laundering

most other people in professions are subjected to ethical frameworks and admissions.

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Just another desperate excuse to have a go at the Prime Minister and it is so so boring. Some posters just repeat the same thing over and over. Clearly, there is an almost unnatural obsession with the man. I really fail to understand why this is so. Why not promote the merits of Keir Starmer or doesn’t he have any?

surely gifting could be manipulation or even bribery ???or even <gasp> laundering
I presume it will be declared

Gwyneth

Just another desperate excuse to have a go at the Prime Minister and it is so so boring. Some posters just repeat the same thing over and over. Clearly, there is an almost unnatural obsession with the man. I really fail to understand why this is so. Why not promote the merits of Keir Starmer or doesn’t he have any?

But what has he actually achieved during his PM’ship?

But what has he actually achieved during his PM’ship?
I nothing, then it won't matter if he goes on holiday for a week.

To an EU country.

Oh flip!!

If nothing .....

Gwyneth

Just another desperate excuse to have a go at the Prime Minister and it is so so boring. Some posters just repeat the same thing over and over. Clearly, there is an almost unnatural obsession with the man. I really fail to understand why this is so. Why not promote the merits of Keir Starmer or doesn’t he have any?

It's not difficult to understand why people are critical of him - it really isn't.

he’s not a machine able to function month after month without a break.

That's certainly true! You could have left it at "he's not able to function".

Let's face it, Boris will get torn to shreds by some of the people on here whatever he does. Any excuse to have a go.

But what does he actually DO?

Chestnut

Let's face it, Boris will get torn to shreds by some of the people on here whatever he does. Any excuse to have a go.

Not if he were an effective leader, which he isn't.

He should be patriotic and holiday in the U.K. and not a despised EU country. Funny the friend he borrowed the villa from was given a seat in the H of L by… Johnson. Yes of course he should go on holiday and stay there - no one will notice. He’ll fit right in on the Costa with all those overweight Brits, not called Costa del Crime for nothing.

? none of thought of this did we?

Much better idea

Gwyneth 'clearly there is an almost unnatural obsession with the man'
I agree - there is definitely an obsession with people still supporting him, when he has proved time and time again that he his totally unsuitable to be PM, is wholly incompetent and, in my book, worst of all, a proven liar. Those rose-tinted glasses must be worn out!

Typo - he is totally ....

What baffles me is if the PM is so ineffective why aren’t supporters of the opposition, which seem to be the majority on this site, posting every second about how brilliant people like Starmer, Davy et al are performing. Surely as the PM is so ineffective, it’s a golden opportunity to ‘sing their praises’ and recount all the amazing things that they do and yet they are barely mentioned. So why isn’t this happening?

Gwyneth

What baffles me is if the PM is so ineffective why aren’t supporters of the opposition, which seem to be the majority on this site, posting every second about how brilliant people like Starmer, Davy et al are performing. Surely as the PM is so ineffective, it’s a golden opportunity to ‘sing their praises’ and recount all the amazing things that they do and yet they are barely mentioned. So why isn’t this happening?

It's because it doesn't work like that. The PM is responsible for the whole country, they are not. Our problem is that our current PM has no idea what the word 'responsible' means.
As citizens whose wellbeing he is supposed to be nurturing (and we pay his wages!) we are free to criticise as much as we like if we don't think he's doing the job we pay him for.

Working from home or working when on holiday with Zoom and all the latest technology I can't see that there is a problem.

Before someone says how do I know he is still working, well how do you know he is not.