Brexit finally being recognised as one of the causes of the crises

“I did say with severed relations with relatives in the USA because they were staunch Trump supporters, who turned out to be VERY racist.”

Kali, I have a brother and a sister in the US, brother is a staunch Republican, sister is staunchly Democrat, l love them both and politics is not a subject to be discussed.
Just as Brexit is not a subject discussed between friends.

vegansrock

Brexit is not “done” and won’t be because it is impossible to be an isolationist country and yet rely on other countries for all the complexities of modern life, not to mention food and everyday living essentials. There will always be areas where we will not have “ sovereignty” so this concept is a complete fairytale. The red tape and extra cost Brexit has produced, despite us being told the complete opposite, are showing more ridiculousness on a daily basis and we should call it out not just shrug and accept it as a given. This wasn’t a huge demand from the public 52:48 no way the whole country so why take the hardest possible Brexit route ? Norway deal which we were promised by Farage would have been acceptable to many. No we won’t go away and shut up. Easy to avoid threads if you are one of the head in the sand government apologists.

Brexit is not a subject discussed between friends.

Why ever not? Unless its a superficial friendship. My friends share my core values. I couldn't be friends with a racist or a homophobe or a transphobe, for example.

Katie59

“I did say with severed relations with relatives in the USA because they were staunch Trump supporters, who turned out to be VERY racist.”

Kali, I have a brother and a sister in the US, brother is a staunch Republican, sister is staunchly Democrat, l love them both and politics is not a subject to be discussed.
Just as Brexit is not a subject discussed between friends.

I can't ever imagine being a real friend of anybody with completely different values from me. Voting for Trump or Brexit would require A mindset alien to me, so I doubt very much we would be friends in the first place.

GagaJo

*Brexit is not a subject discussed between friends.*

Why ever not? Unless its a superficial friendship. My friends share my core values. I couldn't be friends with a racist or a homophobe or a transphobe, for example.

?? who said that?

Oh I see now

I literally don't have any friends who voted Leave. One acquaintance, but she's changed her mind (too late).

Snap GagaJo. Posted at nearly the same time.

Brexit is not a subject to be discuss with friends.

Because I feel quite strongly that it is a bad idea, and the campaign was a pack of lies, many friends voted leave, currently it’s a shambles but it’s a fact of life, so no point in falling out over it.

No, not falling out. But not socialising with.

I would never be offensive to a Brexit voter. I'd say hello in passing in the street. If a colleague, I'd discuss work politely and professionally. As I did with an anti vaxxer/covid is a scam colleague. I'd chat about the weather with a Leave voter neighbour.

But friends? No. I couldn't be friends with someone who has done so much to damage the life my child and grandchild will have.

Sorry Katie59, but I have clearly chosen my friends well because none of them were taken in by any of the Leavers daft arguments. None of them thought it was in any way a good idea. And if they had, they wouldn't be my friends any more.

For me it really is that serious.

Katie59

Brexit is not a subject to be discuss with friends.

Because I feel quite strongly that it is a bad idea, and the campaign was a pack of lies, many friends voted leave, currently it’s a shambles but it’s a fact of life, so no point in falling out over it.

I can see your point in not wanting to fall out.

I am not sure that's about choosing your friends well, it's more that we tend to be in our own bubbles which reflect our views, I am not sure how healthy it is but it's very common.

We were tied in for getting on for half a century so obviously there are going to be some hurdles to overcome, but it was never going to happen quickly was it?

I honestly can't remember anyone, at any level, in the Leave camp saying this. It was all 'oven ready' and 'the easiest deal in history'.

If the Leave campaign had said - We will leave the EU and there will be benefits in time, but in the short and medium term there will be nationwide difficulties, hardships and shortages that will negatively impact every one of us and will last months and potentially years - would the outcome of the referendum been the same? It's this omission/deception, the hope that it will be widely acknowledged and the hope that things will improve which keeps those who voted remain focused on the subject.

As for the several accusations of 'obsession'. What a lazy way to minimise the voices of others. Surely paying attention to something that is having a negative impact on many areas of daily life is wise and prudent. Nobody on here is obsessed. Those posters who frequently raise Brexit have friends, families, rich lives and interests just as much as those who are 'bored' and 'tired' by Brexit.

It's puzzling to see how quickly Leave voters have become bored and tired of the subject when they were the people driven enough by the issue to vote us into this situation.

Galaxy

I am not sure that's about choosing your friends well, it's more that we tend to be in our own bubbles which reflect our views, I am not sure how healthy it is but it's very common.

Fair comment Galaxy, but the bubbles are bigger in Scotland .

Its not that I've never met a Leave voter, I was still working at the time of the referendum and there were many people I worked with who voted Leave, mainly to get rid of all those foreigners that were around. (The fact that about 50% of the employees were "foreigners" and that them leaving would lead to the demise of the company seemed to have escaped them.)

But friends? No. More sense.

I have a friend who predates Brexit by years and years.

She has stood by me and supported my throughout our friendship as I have her.

She has qualities of generosity, loyalty and kindness. She is also a stereotypical DM reader a Tory and Brexit supporter (although wobbling now)

I made the decision that I valued her as a friend over and above her daft decisions.

Therefore politics are never discussed at more than a very surface detail, like the odd tut,tut etc.

I was at a tennis club in an affluent part of the North East the day after the result, a group of people there were astounded ' I have never met anyone who voted leave' Well no of course you havent, if you drove a few miles up the road you would been in villages where no one voted remain. None of it helps really.

I think that’s a very wise and fair comment Galaxy.

The day after the referendum my then 79-year-old DF was berating fishermen in the Tesco's in their town for boasting that they'd "won".

He probably only got away with it because he's old. Being obstreperous must run in the family.

Kandinsky

2 or 3 people are clogging up this board with endless threads about Brexit - it’s not fair on people ( the majority I’m sure ) who are bored stiff with it.
It’s time these posters had their own board so the rest of us can discuss other news & politics items.
Surely that makes sense?

Absolutely, and well said.. Who on earth would expect everything to run perfectly smoothly after a massive change like this. It’s all about foresight.

The world hasn’t imploded....yet, as far as I can see.

Who on earth would expect everything to run perfectly smoothly after a massive change like this

Take your pick.

www.indy100.com/news/brexit-no-deal-quotes-boris-johnson-david-davis-dominic-raab-8463121

Ps...just to try and level off, we don’t know anyone who voted to remain. We would say we have working class roots, but have led a middle class lifestyle, so know all sorts of people from those backgrounds, including all the people we’ve met through church over the last 25 years.

No one voted to remain.

No anecdotal stories as in ‘my neighbour says’ ... but I do seriously wonder how many of us have truly been severely impacted by Brexit? I haven’t.

And that’s not being smug.
Just honest.

Your post confused me DiscoDancer?

Urmstongran

Your post confused me DiscoDancer?

Which bit?