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Is Macron sabre rattling?

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Urmstongran Mon 01-Nov-21 10:19:20

What do we think?
Tomorrow he has to put up or shut up I think.

Alegrias1 Wed 03-Nov-21 08:12:49

One thing I've learnt on Gransnet. That there is an amazing number of unaccountable but biased "news" sites around the world, catering to all the most outlandish notions that people have.

Kali2 Wed 03-Nov-21 08:49:10

Did you hear the older womand from Kent raving on the Jeremy Vine show? I did wonder if she is also on GN.

Scones Wed 03-Nov-21 08:56:13

This from Vegansrock a thousand times.

"Why all this fuss about fishing anyway? it’s a tiny part of our GDP, overfishing means decline of marine life and the fishing industry is the biggest polluter of the seas with a huge amount of plastic and other waste."

The fishing detritus I pick up on the beach in one week would fill a bath tub. They call it 'Ghost Gear'. Here's some information if anyone is interested. www.ghostfishing.co.uk/

Mamie Wed 03-Nov-21 08:56:54

Jacob Rees-Mogg has said this on Twitter.
"The French are always grumpy in October, the anniversaries of Trafalgar and Agincourt upset them."
Strangely enough he didn't mention October 14th 1066.
What a numpty!

Lucca Wed 03-Nov-21 09:13:20

Does he ever say anything serious or not sneery ?

Kali2 Wed 03-Nov-21 09:13:33

The French must be quaking in their boots at the idea of that lady from Kent saying she will boycott French products...

Goes both ways, and the EU can buy from each other and basically cover all their needs this way, and also exports ot most of the world, including USA.

Which product would the EU 27 need to buy from the UK, which they can't get from each other. Stilton and whisky - perhaps. I'd miss both, but certainly could live without.

Irish whiskey is not bad at all, and there are plenty of great blue cheeses in Europe (but yes, I'd miss my favourite, Stilton- but hey ho).

Josianne Wed 03-Nov-21 09:21:54

I didn't hear the lady in question, but I had no trouble purchasing two Bonne Maman advent calendars (from Fenwicks) recently. And I'm not going without my hunk of comté or bleu d'auvergne from Burrough Market.

Alegrias1 Wed 03-Nov-21 09:23:48

Was it the radio 2 Jeremy Vine call in or the TV program?

Mamie Wed 03-Nov-21 09:29:22

You would have to add seafood to the list Kali2. At the beginning of border controls it was quite hard to get scotch salmon, but according to our fishmongers it is much easier now and it is certainly back on the stalls. I think the vast majority of arraignée come from the UK too.

vegansrock Wed 03-Nov-21 09:35:51

Ironic that a large % of catch by British registered fishing boats is sold to the EU. Frosty did not get them a good deal- maybe this is to divert attention from that?

Scones Wed 03-Nov-21 09:36:10

Mamie

Jacob Rees-Mogg has said this on Twitter.
"The French are always grumpy in October, the anniversaries of Trafalgar and Agincourt upset them."
Strangely enough he didn't mention October 14th 1066.
What a numpty!

Our country would be a much better place to live if our leaders focused on the present day rather than spouting imagined nonsense (often in Latin) based loosely on events that happened 550 and 150 years before they were born.

Despite some people imagining it to be so, the French people do not base their entire existence, lifestyle and day to day mood on their past and present interaction with the British. To think other countries are some kind of satellite of us is an arrogant hangover from the days of empire and frankly makes us look like gloating, pathetic barrel-dredgers.

Josianne Wed 03-Nov-21 09:48:50

I agree Scones it is just showing off a load of events and dates in history. Just learn about it in school and then shut up.

Alegrias1 Wed 03-Nov-21 09:53:01

I think its more sinister than that. He's not stupid and he knows that making fun of the French is an ideal way of diverting attention from the debacle of Brexit, while contributing to the myth that the French hate us and everything's their fault.

BTW - The Scots were on the side of the French at the time of Agincourt. Just saying grin

Mamie Wed 03-Nov-21 10:41:00

Alegrias1 I think the swift return of scotch salmon may have something to do with the Auld Alliance. ?

Lincslass Wed 03-Nov-21 10:45:00

Alegrias1

I think its more sinister than that. He's not stupid and he knows that making fun of the French is an ideal way of diverting attention from the debacle of Brexit, while contributing to the myth that the French hate us and everything's their fault.

BTW - The Scots were on the side of the French at the time of Agincourt. Just saying grin

Yes we know, we still won.

Lincslass Wed 03-Nov-21 10:47:39

Visgir1

98 % of fishing permit have been granted so all this is for 2% and those boats have no History of Fishing in those waters.
I agree with Australia comment to Macron.. Get over it.

Absolutely.

Alegrias1 Wed 03-Nov-21 10:50:26

Lincslass

Alegrias1

I think its more sinister than that. He's not stupid and he knows that making fun of the French is an ideal way of diverting attention from the debacle of Brexit, while contributing to the myth that the French hate us and everything's their fault.

BTW - The Scots were on the side of the French at the time of Agincourt. Just saying grin

Yes we know, we still won.

Where "we" is the English, yes?

Plus ça change

westendgirl Wed 03-Nov-21 10:56:02

I thought the importance of the discussions with the EU was planning for the future. This constant reference to the past is irrelevant.

Mamie Wed 03-Nov-21 11:10:01

Visgirl It is not 98% granted. Please read my post of 0458.
If you think the 100 fishers whose licences have not been granted have never fished in the waters, then where is your evidence?

Calistemon Wed 03-Nov-21 11:18:09

Alegrias1

Lincslass

Alegrias1

I think its more sinister than that. He's not stupid and he knows that making fun of the French is an ideal way of diverting attention from the debacle of Brexit, while contributing to the myth that the French hate us and everything's their fault.

BTW - The Scots were on the side of the French at the time of Agincourt. Just saying grin

Yes we know, we still won.

Where "we" is the English, yes?

^Plus ça change^

Here we go again!

Surely everyone knows that the Welsh won the Battle of Agincourt for the English king?
They were wearing their Monmouth caps which gave them special powers.

Alegrias1 Wed 03-Nov-21 11:21:07

Henry V was Welsh, wasn't he? Or am I relying too much on Shakespeare for historical accuracy grin

Mamie Wed 03-Nov-21 11:26:48

There is a lovely little museum at Azincourt; brings it all to life brilliantly.
Of course the Francophobes would have to come here to see it. ?

MaizieD Wed 03-Nov-21 11:50:44

Alegrias1

Henry V was Welsh, wasn't he? Or am I relying too much on Shakespeare for historical accuracy grin

I don't think so! He spent a lot of time fighting the Welsh..

I think you may be thinking of Henry VII. HIs father was of Welsh descent.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_VII_of_England

Lincslass Wed 03-Nov-21 11:55:24

Alegrias1

Lincslass

Alegrias1

I think its more sinister than that. He's not stupid and he knows that making fun of the French is an ideal way of diverting attention from the debacle of Brexit, while contributing to the myth that the French hate us and everything's their fault.

BTW - The Scots were on the side of the French at the time of Agincourt. Just saying grin

Yes we know, we still won.

Where "we" is the English, yes?

^Plus ça change^

Of course. ?. But to be honest that was too long ago to be of any importance to most of us English. Think it was funny what Mogg said,rather tongue in cheek, pity people took it seriously.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 03-Nov-21 12:02:13

Alegrias1

I think its more sinister than that. He's not stupid and he knows that making fun of the French is an ideal way of diverting attention from the debacle of Brexit, while contributing to the myth that the French hate us and everything's their fault.

BTW - The Scots were on the side of the French at the time of Agincourt. Just saying grin

Didn’t Katherine of Aragon fight a war and win against the Scots?