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EU pro-hijab campaign pulled

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Urmstongran Wed 03-Nov-21 17:06:26

A European Union-funded campaign promoting the freedom to wear the Muslim headscarf has been shelved after an official complaint from staunchly secular France.

I agree with France on this.
Do you?

asd123 Thu 04-Nov-21 21:15:38

Nuns cover their hair for their faith,so do Muslim women,nuns cover their hair to show their devotion to their God ,so do Muslim women,nuns cover their hair to show modesty just like the Muslim women, so whats the problem?

welbeck Thu 04-Nov-21 21:45:12

the law in france applies to nuns the same as everyone else.
if they teach in a state school, they cannot do so wearing habits.
these rules apply to govt workers, because in a sense they represent the state, which is strictly secular in france.

tickingbird Fri 05-Nov-21 06:25:13

How do you know someone’s wearing a wig?

Kali2 Fri 05-Nov-21 09:32:10

welbeck, if France is so secular , why do significant numbers of French families send their kids to Catholic schools, which are State subsidised?

maddyone Fri 05-Nov-21 09:51:08

VioletSky
Turkey is a secular country. There is no state religion. I know the majority of it’s citizens are Muslim but that does not make the country Muslim as such. The government takes pride in Turkey being secular. France is also secular although the majority of its citizens are Catholic, but again France takes pride in being secular. England however, is not a secular country. Despite the vast majority of its citizens not practicing any religion, the state religion is Church of England and the Queen is the Head of the Church of England.

MerylStreep Fri 05-Nov-21 09:51:11

tickingbird

How do you know someone’s wearing a wig?

Purely by the fact that she is with her husband who would be wearing traditional Jewish clothing. So therefore She would be wearing a wig.
I say traditional but that differs as to what sect you belong to.
We have different sects here in Southend and they are very different.

maddyone Fri 05-Nov-21 09:53:44

Kali2

welbeck, if France is so secular , why do significant numbers of French families send their kids to Catholic schools, which are State subsidised?

And why do so many people send their children to Catholic schools in England, when Catholic schools in England are State subsidised? And the state religion is Church of England.

Sarnia Fri 05-Nov-21 10:45:27

I am with France on this one. As far as I am aware there is no religious requirement for women to be covered in such a way. All it shows is their subservience to men in these cultures.

Kali2 Fri 05-Nov-21 19:26:00

maddyone

Kali2

welbeck, if France is so secular , why do significant numbers of French families send their kids to Catholic schools, which are State subsidised?

And why do so many people send their children to Catholic schools in England, when Catholic schools in England are State subsidised? And the state religion is Church of England.

A totally different proposition in the UK, as we have total freedom of religion, even if CofE is the one strongly linked to Royalty and Government (House of Lords, etc.).

My point is about France- which is supposed to be secular. And yet some of those who shout 'laïcité' the loudest, send their kids to private, but subsidised Catholic schools- The hyprocrisy is massive, and I'll give you one guess as to why they do so (and it has not much to do with religion, actually. Au contraire!).

tickingbird Fri 05-Nov-21 22:30:08

Purely by the fact that she is with her husband who would be wearing traditional Jewish clothing. So therefore She would be wearing a wig.
I say traditional but that differs as to what sect you belong to.
We have different sects here in Southend and they are very different

Hardly the same. The hijab is visible, the sheitel is assumed because the woman is with her Orthodox husband. If the female was on her own or with other females nobody would be aware of the sheitel.

tickingbird Fri 05-Nov-21 22:31:40

Personally I have no issue with the hijab although I don’t like it on young girls but I do object to the burka.

kircubbin2000 Sat 06-Nov-21 08:45:49

Why would you wear a wig?

trisher Sat 06-Nov-21 11:16:35

kircubbin2000

Why would you wear a wig?

This is fascinating reading although some of his conclusions about women always doing it by choice might be questionable. forward.com/life/203981/the-complete-history-of-the-sheitel/
I do think the similar customs for covering hair in both Judaism and Islam are interesting.

Petera Tue 09-Nov-21 15:15:14

Just seen this. The rights and wrongs aside, I hope everyone understand that this was not a European Union idea, but it came from the Council of Europe.

The Council or Europe is a completely separate organisation, and more critically, the UK is still a member of the Council of Europe.