Greta Thunberg is a Pain in the proverbial

This might be a first but I agree with Alegrias. We've had decades of warnings, this is an emergency and recycling our cardboard won't cut it. We made a start 30 years ago, everything needs to be ramped up if there's the slightest chance of having an impact.

They didn't know how they were affecting the environment then (and there were a lot fewer of them...)

No, they didn't. They went where the work was.
I was just surprised that someone thought we never left our home towns 30 years ago; it's not my experience and although I do have friends and neighbours who are local born and bred, they seem to be the minority.

I'm not lambasting the yogurt pot washers, I wash pots myself. Not yogurt ones, because I make my own .

But I do lambast people who think they are doing their bit by washing yogurt pots, and that young women shouting loudly about how we need to do more are not very naice.

There's a parallel here with suffragists and suffragettes, I think.

recycling our cardboard won't cut it.

But we mustn't think we should stop doing that because it's not enough.
It isn't enough but every little helps as the saying goes.

I shall turn off my Samsung device now to save energy.

Calistemon

^How old are you? We all managed perfectly well 30 years ago, without these things. Not a private plane in sight! In fact...no planes at all. We rarely left the town we lived in. We all lived and worked there.^

This is what I’d like to see again. Nothing to do with climate change, just purely and simply, I think people were happier.

I'm not sure if your post was tongue-in-cheek, DiscoDancer but that's not how I remember life 30 years ago.

Rarely left the town we lived in?
Even 170 years ago my family, DH's family were on the move, building railways, moving round the country for work, going overseas. Unfortunately trips overseas probably meant by coal driven steam ship, the latest invention then.
We must be part of the problem.

Nobody in my extended family, inc. my parents, born 1916 and 1918, stayed in their home town, and most have moved at least a couple of times for work.
We never lived close to either set of grandparents, and neither did my aunts and uncles.

I’m another who’s sometimes bemused by the frequent assumption that most people have family living around the corner.

I would hate my children to live a life that .

Love her or dislike her. Your choice. She is achieving the attention and the focus on what seems our disregard for the subject of Climate Warming.All she does for me is irritate. Lets face it, we have created a mess for ourselves

Alegrias1

^...and we lived in a paper bag in't middle of t'road.^

And we were grateful for it.

aahhhh but we didn't even have a paper bag!

This thread has turned into sheer nonsense. Greta is 'on the spectrum' and as such her manner can be unsettling, bordering on annyoying. But the virulence and nastiness of some people on this thread, and their insistence on derailing with nonsense... is just sad and a lot more worrying.

Ask David Attenborough what he thinks of Greta - he has met her many times, and I'd trust his opinion a lot more than the unpleasant cynics on here. She has achieved a massive amount, and has given so many young people hope. The young people who will have to live the consequences of OUR generation's actions- the young people who are now choosing not to have children- as their perceive the future as so bleak.

None of us a re perfect, and most of us are to some extent hypocritical in our efforts to tackle climate change - but just because we are not perfect, what damage will washing a yogurt pot make, or switching off applicances, recycling properly, making compost, eating less meat, flying less, etc, etc. make? It is not sufficient, we know this - so we have to keep striving and make the BIG changes at the top- and vote for people who will plan for a better future.

Kandinsky “Aren’t we allowed to criticise anyone anymore? “
Also Kandinsky “Don’t criticise me.”

I'm going to repost the PM of Barbados' speech to COP26.
(Some of the comments on the blog are interesting, too)

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2021/11/05/qe-can-be-used-to-beat-climate-change/

Amazing, moving speech. Thanks for posting MaizieD
Oh, to have such an articulate leader !

Team Greta here! She speaks for the young.

This might be a first but I agree with Alegrias.

I had to go for a lie down but I'm all right now Daisymae

@Alegrias. I really suggest you read my post Antonia
Which post, and why? I'm giving my own opinion. I don't need to take the opinions of others into account.

Antonia

*@Alegrias. I really suggest you read my post Antonia*
Which post, and why? I'm giving my own opinion. I don't need to take the opinions of others into account.

The one at 9:53. The one with the facts in it.

I don't need to take the opinions of others into account.

I'll just leave this there...

Kandinsky, patronising post not worth a response. Disco dancer, 30 years ago takes us back to the late 90’s and we were not living the simple life by any stretch of the imagination and by the way I am 74 and don’t want to go back to the good old days of cold houses and smog.

Mollygo wrote:

"I think she’s doing a good job raising awareness, but I wonder how much of what she says is impacting on the young people.
They are much more aware, but the group I was talking with a few days ago age 15 - 20 still talked about ambitions to have a car, new clothes and holidays abroad."

Why are we so superficial? I wonder if social psychologists have an answer. I will google that!

This thread has turned into sheer nonsense.

No it hasn’t. It’s provoked an interesting and occasionally instructive discussion. Still ongoing.

She comes across as a teenage brat. But the cause she fights is a valuable one. I M O

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Antonia

@Alegrias. I really suggest you read my post Antonia

Which post, and why? I'm giving my own opinion. I don't need to take the opinions of others into account.

The one at 9:53. The one with the facts in it.

I don't need to take the opinions of others into account.

I'll just leave this there...

I don't understand why you appear so aggressive. What exactly is wrong with me giving my own opinion?

I can't take into account every single post written on this thread.

And why do you suppose your own post is the one with the facts in it? Are other people's opinions worth less than yours?

I don’t wish to teach grandmothers how to suck eggs but this is a simple explanation as to how/ why the www is taking so much electricity.

www.bbc.com/future/article/20200305-why-your-internet-habits-are-not-as-clean-as-you-think

Now I have to be careful here because I got deleted recently for saying that there is a difference between facts and opinions, and how that isn't always appreciated.

But...

there is a difference between facts and opinions, and that isn't always appreciated.

Just pointed out Antonia, that you might be interested in reading a summary of why Greta isn't insisting that we put heat pump on our houses, and what she is saying is a much bigger deal than that. She understands consequences very well, she's not a teenager stamping her feet.

Why do people put their personal more superficial interests before saving the climate?

Here is a short article from the Guardian .
www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/may/19/study-inspiring-action-on-climate-change-is-more-complex-than-you-might-think

“How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world.”

Anne Frank

DiscoDancerBlimy! She's been annoying for 4 years! ?

Must say, she's rallied the young ones to campaign - world wide too!