100,000 NHS staff unvaccinated

Kali has explained all the reasons why health care workers and carers should be vaccinated, so I’m not going to mention them all again. However she is absolutely right.

You say evidence shows that mandatory vaccination doesn’t work and could have the opposite effect Galaxy yet it was mentioned on the tv news last night that France introduced a ‘no jab no job’ policy in its health service and their vaccinated staff numbers shot up.
Yes I agree that persuasion is always the best policy but we have surely got to the point now that a firmer stance is needed.

Galaxy well this approach seems to have worked in France, out of 2.7 million staff only 3,000 have been suspended for not having their vaccination.

Calmlocket

On breakfast tv they were interviewing a care worker, she said
"whats the point in the vaccine when you can still catch and spread covid, some of the elderly in care homes have refused the jab and unvacinated visitors can still visit care homes. she was also concerned about long term effects of the covid years down the line.

If the vaccine works why are the vaccinated still catching, spreading, dying of covid?

This was never denied. What is true is that the disease is less likely to put you in hospital. Unfortunately those vaccinated and dying are people with underlying conditions. To use, you can still catch it, is just a weak excuse not to have it at all.
John Campbell has a video on this, You tube.

Succinctly put Kali2.

Galaxy

Thanks for explaining issues around care to me Kali, I managed care services for a very long time.
It's actually a bit more complex, what you are asking people to do is work with unvaccinated people (unless you advocate that those receiving care also must be vaccinated) for low pay and poor conditions in terms of working hours etc, whilst insisting they have a vaccine they are unsure of. Oh whilst people slag them off on social media. The current evidence shows that this approach (mandatory vaccination) is not particularly effective, in fact possibly the opposite. I have moved to work in services for young children where certainly in my area we have a crisis in recruitment, I understand that in other forms of care it is even worse.

Please can you provide a link to the current evidence you refer to that shows mandatory vaccination is possibly ineffective. I would be interested to read that as up till now I cannot understand why anyone would not have the vaccine just because they think it might not work?

Our local NHS trust gives half a day off to every member who has the flu jab!
Perhaps their holding out for a week off for the COVID jab?

I cannot understand why anyone would not have the vaccine. Who would want anyone in the health sector seeing them that wasn’t vaccinated?

I don't personally know very many adults who have caught Covid but most of those who did caught it in hospital.

I read yesterday that 11,000 people have died after catching Covid in hospital. I know 2 of those.

I know someone who has long Covid from hospital-acquired Covid and he seems to be a shadow of his former very robust self, yet another who was very ill, caught Covid in hospital but was symptomless.

It is such a random illness.

That was the research I heard on the BBc today with reference to what has seen to be effective in this country. I stress that I mean what is effective in encouraging people to have the vaccine, I am not arguing whether the vaccine is effective. I am not a flat earther

A lot of people dont think the vaccine is safe and also that it doesn't work! Why the need for boosters a few months after two injections!

Biscuitmuncher

A lot of people dont think the vaccine is safe and also that it doesn't work! Why the need for boosters a few months after two injections!

Because immunity wanes. That doesn't mean that the vaccine is dangerous nor that it doesn't work. The evidence is clear that vaccination does work, despite not being 100% effective, which nobody ever claimed.

Biscuitmuncher

A lot of people dont think the vaccine is safe and also that it doesn't work! Why the need for boosters a few months after two injections!

Yet they are vastly outnumbered by people who think the vaccine is safe and are happy to have a booster, to minimise the chance of severe or fatal Covid.

I absolutely agree that the government is right to make vaccination mandatory for everyone who works in health care, in fact it should be mandatory for anyone who is not medically exempt. However, I am concerned that this has been delayed until April when we have the winter to get through. Health care workers have been given more than enough time to be vaccinated. The government need to introduce ‘vaccination passports’ as they have in Wales as well as mask wearing in public places.