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Keeping Royal Secrets

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Alegrias1 Sun 21-Nov-21 09:57:51

We are often told on here that despite the financial or democratic problems with the system, having a Royal Family provides continuity and something to fall back in in times of crisis, such as pandemics. So what do we think of this quote from the Sunday Herald this morning, regarding whether certain Royal papers should be released. In this case it should be noted that the papers already belong to belong to the tax payer but we’re not allowed to see the content.

Protecting the dignity of the Queen and working members of the royal family by protecting their privacy in truly private matters preserves their ability to discharge their duties in their fundamental and central constitutional role, not least of unifying the nations (as was seen during the depths of the current pandemic). Roger Smethurst, head of knowledge and information at the Cabinet Office.

On other words, if we know what they were really like in private, we’d never be taken in by their idealised images. They need to keep some things secret because they don’t fit with the image they want to portray.

Thoughts?

Aveline Thu 25-Nov-21 11:17:37

Catherine Kent is indubitably a good egg.
Back to the rest of the Royal Family and their value. How they make people feel is of incalculable value. Obviously, there are those for whom their emotional pull is negligible or even negative. However, there's something about them that makes people pour out to see them, to line the routes of their events and travels and to follow every item about them in the news. Their psychological worth to the country is quite literally beyond price.

MaizieD Thu 25-Nov-21 11:18:10

I think this could be very different when she is no longer with us. People are not so enamoured of her successor...

P.S. People like Princess Anne a lot, too. For many of the same reasons, I think. A bit of a tearaway when she was young, but amused them by telling photographers to 'naff off', and falling off her horse in water jumps... But has since been very like her mother. Dutiful.

MaizieD Thu 25-Nov-21 11:19:12

Aveline

Catherine Kent is indubitably a good egg.
Back to the rest of the Royal Family and their value. How they make people feel is of incalculable value. Obviously, there are those for whom their emotional pull is negligible or even negative. However, there's something about them that makes people pour out to see them, to line the routes of their events and travels and to follow every item about them in the news. Their psychological worth to the country is quite literally beyond price.

Exactly, Aveline. That's what I was thinking.

Anniebach Thu 25-Nov-21 11:20:30

According to the documentary of Katherine Kent , Princess Marina was allegedly against the marriage, not the family.

maddyone Thu 25-Nov-21 11:22:11

Thank you for clarification Annie.

Galaxy Thu 25-Nov-21 11:31:11

I do sometimes think those who are interested in the royal family over emphasise the interest generally. . I was listening to someone the other day and he was saying how reassuring it was for the nation when the Queen spoke during lockdown. I had completely forgotten she had spoken and gained more comfort from Joe Wicks.

Alegrias1 Thu 25-Nov-21 11:35:19

Aveline

Catherine Kent is indubitably a good egg.
Back to the rest of the Royal Family and their value. How they make people feel is of incalculable value. Obviously, there are those for whom their emotional pull is negligible or even negative. However, there's something about them that makes people pour out to see them, to line the routes of their events and travels and to follow every item about them in the news. Their psychological worth to the country is quite literally beyond price.

OK, I'm really not wanting to start a war smile and I think this is a good discussion.

I'm one with the negative emotional pull. Is it really a good thing that people want to turn out in droves or follow the details of every dress or pair of gloves that an elderly lady wears?

There are downsides to that as well. The hero worship. That's what it is. We are not allowed to say anything negative about certain members of the family without being accused of all sorts of things. Whereas other members of the extended family are demonised because we don't like how they are behaving, or how they behaved 30 years ago.

And on top of all that, they have a constitutional role that we are not encouraged to question because of the idealisation of their characters.

lemsip Thu 25-Nov-21 11:52:01

she is Katharine with a K!

Katharine, Duchess of Kent

Grany Thu 25-Nov-21 12:28:04

Royals don't get involved in politics.

Politics is how we decide to share financial resources.

Royals enter the fray, come out on top, and then use their winnings to pay PR Teams to tell us they are not players in the game they just won.

Republic producing a book about monarchy myths

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 25-Nov-21 12:32:33

I do hope you will tell us where we can buy signed copies Grany. You really do come out with a lot of specious twaddle.

Grany Thu 25-Nov-21 12:37:45

Germanshepherdsmum

I do hope you will tell us where we can buy signed copies Grany. You really do come out with a lot of specious twaddle.

So do you

Calistemon Thu 25-Nov-21 12:39:44

Posters expressing republican opinions is one thing and it's interesting to read other people's views, but Gransnet is being used for propaganda purposes by Republic.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 25-Nov-21 12:51:02

Perhaps you could give me a link to the specious twaddle I have posted Grany. I entirely agree with Calistemon about the propaganda being posted on here. In fact I never see Grany posting anything but republican propaganda. It seems to be all she is interested in, and always voiced in a nasty and angry manner.

MaizieD Thu 25-Nov-21 12:52:00

Calistemon

Posters expressing republican opinions is one thing and it's interesting to read other people's views, but Gransnet is being used for propaganda purposes by Republic.

Being a bit extreme aren't you, Calistemon?

When does an alternative point of view turn into propaganda?

We seem to have no problem with people supporting fascists, what is wrong with republicans?

Am I going to be in trouble for pushing and alternative view of national economics?

MaizieD Thu 25-Nov-21 12:53:35

In fact I never see Grany posting anything but republican propaganda.

Perhaps you don't look very far, Gsm.

Alegrias1 Thu 25-Nov-21 12:59:10

lemsip

she is Katharine with a K!

Katharine, Duchess of Kent

Quite right lemsip

I hope you'll be equally fastidious when other posters misspell the names of "commoners" who marry into Royalty and then decide its not for them.

Lucca Thu 25-Nov-21 13:03:12

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maddyone Thu 25-Nov-21 13:08:48

You are right lemsip. My own daughter’s name is Catherine, with a C, so you will excuse me from using the wrong spelling for Katharine Kent.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 25-Nov-21 13:12:07

Please show me another thread on which Grany posts Maizie. I have only ever seen her on a RF thread, frequently posting links to republican propaganda.

Anniebach Thu 25-Nov-21 13:12:19

Who has married into the royal family then decided it’s not for them ?

Mark Phillips has never spoken against them.

Wallis Simpson didn’t have a choice.

Alegrias1 Thu 25-Nov-21 13:16:48

Germanshepherdsmum

Please show me another thread on which Grany posts Maizie. I have only ever seen her on a RF thread, frequently posting links to republican propaganda.

I'm here so I'll just do it.

www.gransnet.com/forums/games/1289793-Two-last-letters-game-7?pg=21

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1302574-No-Budget-purdah-these-days-This-government-does-not-believe-in-a-parliamentary-democracy-it-seems

Got bored then. There's some gardening ones too.

Sorry Grany

Alegrias1 Thu 25-Nov-21 13:17:22

Anniebach

Who has married into the royal family then decided it’s not for them ?

Mark Phillips has never spoken against them.

Wallis Simpson didn’t have a choice.

?

Grany Thu 25-Nov-21 13:29:31

MaizieD

Calistemon

Posters expressing republican opinions is one thing and it's interesting to read other people's views, but Gransnet is being used for propaganda purposes by Republic.

Being a bit extreme aren't you, Calistemon?

When does an alternative point of view turn into propaganda?

We seem to have no problem with people supporting fascists, what is wrong with republicans?

Am I going to be in trouble for pushing and alternative view of national economics?

Thank you MaizieD

The republican point of view is not propaganda. And mentioning a new book about royal myths could be of interest to royalists too.

On a news and politics thread discussing monarchy, we each have our own views, posters should discuss the issues raised not having a go at a poster because you don't agree with what was said.

Anniebach Thu 25-Nov-21 13:35:22

grany it’s nice to read your own words not copied and pasted from republican sites

MaizieD Thu 25-Nov-21 13:40:31

Thank you MaizieD

It's a pleasure, Grany.

I don't share your views on the monarchy or the *Labour Party, but I really don't see why you should be vilified for posting them.

*I do like them better than fascist views, though grin