The foolishness of anti-vaxxers

Germanshepherdsmum

If governments are so corrupt that they will divert food and money sent to help their starving people (well documented) and use them for weaponry or to line their own pockets, what hope is there for vaccines reaching the people who desperately need them?

Just been reading about the former president of DRC - indicted for corruption and diverting millions in public funds to his own family. He’s predecessor was also corrupt - went on obscenely extravagant shopping trips to Paris on concord using public funds. These people have no regard for anything but money, so virtually no chance of any effective vaccine programme.

I am amazed as to how some people will try to use any excuse to ease their reactions about ensuring vaccines reach ALL countries in the world.

Rather an ironic laugh as to people here talking about the corrupt governments in other countries, when we have seen, over the past 18 months, some of the most corrupt practices here in UK by our national government resulting in millions/billions of pounds being taken from the public purse and distributed to heir mates.

I'm not sure about that, Franbern

The west have been sending vaccines to Africa. Uptake is low. The AZ vaccine had problems because the EU were reluctant to use it initially. So of course countries in Africa will have been reluctant as well

www.businessinsider.com/jen-psaki-says-south-africa-turned-down-us-offer-of-more-vaccine-doses-2021-11?r=US&IR=T

Haven’t got a problem with people not wanting the vaccine - maybe they’re worried about side effects?
People have died after being vaccinated.

Are you serious?

Me?

Of course I’m being serious.
People have become seriously ill after these covid vaccines & some have sadly died.
That’s a good enough reason to not want the vaccine & no one should be forced into it.

I’m not anti vax myself but I totally understand where some of them are coming from.

My question to anti vaxxers who worry about chemicals being absorbed into their body from covid vaccines, is this - have they ever had any other chemicals absorbed into their bodies via, for eg, headache tablets, the contraceptive pill, ‘flu vaccines, anti histamines, antibiotics, rubella & TB vaccines, mumps vaccine, etc, etc, or have they refused these too because they believe them to be more damaging than the possible consequences of not having them?

Good post Mapleleaf.

Kandinsky
There are side effects from the vaccine, you are right. After my booster I had a sore arm and felt off colour for a day. Of course there are side effects from contracting Covid too, and one of them is death. I believe we’ve had about 140,000 Covid deaths in the UK. Have there been 140,000 deaths from the vaccines too?

Kandinsky

Haven’t got a problem with people not wanting the vaccine - maybe they’re worried about side effects?
People have died after being vaccinated.

My daughter gave birth to a 9lb baby less than twelve hours after being vaccinated.

A friend who works in ICU says that if you saw someone dying from Covid you would get vaccinated. It's a painful death.

Hope your daughter reported that side effect Sue?

?? GSM!

The media has reported 10,000 excess deaths in young people so far this year from heart related issues, this is based on a 5 year average death count for the age group. The only thing that has changed is the vaccines and yet people dont seem bothered and still queue up for it. Super fit professional footballers and Rugby players are also dropping down dead. Do people not wonder why! Yet the holier than thou terrified vaccinated people are blaming the unvaccinated for spreading the virus when they too can catch it and pass it on just as easily. Im seriously concerned that these vaccines are messing with their brains too.

On one of the community noticeboards on Facebook, someone posted an item about wearing a face mask as pre government instruction and not only the anti vaxxers came out of the woodwork, but the anti mask wearers as well!
The worst one was one guy that obviously didn't have anything to do besides being obnoxious to anyone that disagreed with him, even quoting figures that "clearly stated that more people were dying after they had been vaccinated than those that hadn't been vaccinated! He attached a link to his claim from ONS - Government statistics to back it up. Think he must have been taking something because it clearly stated that the number deaths in those that had been vaccinated had fallen compared to the non - vacc. He even tried to argue with someone that is an ITU Registrar who said that those Covid sufferers that were in his care had not been vaccinated, but the idiot tried to claim the doctor had no idea what he was talking about!
Then there was a bright spark comparing vaccination with thalidomide!
Fair enough that they don't agree with the Covid vaccinations - just wish they'd keep their thoughts to themselves and preferably find somewhere they can all live together in one place or to be given a tour of the nearest ITU.

Vaccinated or unvaccinated, you can still catch, pass on and spread Covid. So to put this blame on those who choose (and should have the right to choose - our body is our temple - not to have the vaccine is misplaced and incorrect blame. The vaccine may help to prevent those who have it from getting a more serious bout of the virus, but it won't affect anyone else's chances. Why push a vaccine on those who don't want it if it makes no difference whatsoever to your own chances of illness?

Not all people who choose not to be vaccinated spread rumours and misinformation - on the contrary, many of them spend a lot of time looking up and researching all the for's and against's and after doing so, decide that perhaps they won't have what is clearly an experiential vaccine where the public are the research.

For those who suggest that reassurance should be given to those dubious about the vaccine - how can you give reassurance when the vaccine remains in an experimental period? I would suggest that the only reassurance which can possibly be given at this stage is 'So far, we 'believe' it is safe to have a vaccine. Any reassurance to say how 'safe' it is would not be correct because at this point, no-one really knows whether it's safe or not. It would be an assumption to believe it is 'known' that the vaccine is safe. But we know different because there are reports of serious consequences for some.

If you don't have the vaccine, there is a chance you will get Covid. If you do have the vaccine there is a chance you will still possibly get Covid but may suffer the possible consequences of the vaccine. It all comes down to a calculated risk. Some are happy to take that risk, others are not. Who is anyone to say what anyone else should put into their bodies, particularly if it has not been fully researched?

I don't know about anyone else, but when I request help from a doctor I like to know that he knows something about my condition and what possible effects there might be from any treatment he gives me. As it stands, the doctors are not totally certain about the conditions of Covid or the vaccine (efficacy or consequences) and are also not totally certain about how to treat it. It's extremely clear to see that the vaccine, and Covid, are unknown quantities at this point. Surely everyone has the right to choose for themselves?

It is still a fundmently right to have freedom of choice in this country we do not as yet live under a dictatorship!
As they are advocating in the EU to force people to get vaccinated.The thin end of the wedge if you ask me.
Covid vaccine this year god knows what in the future.
Wether you agree with being unvaccinated or not is another matter.

It all comes down to a calculated risk.

The risks have been calculated and the results show the risks of Covid are greater than the risks of vaccination.

I'm not an anti=vaxxer BUT - and here's the rub, the covid 'vaccines' are not vaccines but gene therapy - read the science, and the BBC publication today of the research showing how the astra-zeneca therapy has caused lots of blood clots - we already knew it had done so but now we know how that has happened, is compelling. I think what we look at as people of senior years is how our lives have been prolonged by the various 'vaccines' but what we don't consider is what's happening to our younger population who are now turning up in their thousands with heart and other inflammatory conditions as a result of their jabs - these are conditions which will be life-limiting for them.

You do know people who have been vaccinated still die with it?

My friend reckons she had a bad reaction in the past to a vaccine which is why she refuses to have it. She thinks she had Covid before the palaver so will be protected. She has no excuse for not wearing a mask, so bought an exemption lanyard off Amazon. I do have an excuse for not wearing a mask, as I put it to her I want to protect myself from catching anything going, and to prevent passing anything that I might have, on to anyone else!

I am puzzled by the last few posts.

So any virus that pops up, including one that is even more deadly than covid should simply be allowed to run its course?

I’m not advocating compulsory vaccination, but I am very much against advocating the proselytisation of anti-vaccination.

I am not happy that I now have to spend money I have worked hard for to get the medical treatment I need. I would happily charge the anti vaxxers for any Covid treatment they need.

I also think it is important to point out here that the 'vaccine' being given out so freely at this time is NOT the same as any other 'vaccine' anyone might have had in the past - such as measles, chicken pox, mumps, etc, etc. The Covid vaccine is a completely different technology and still very much in experimental stages on such a large scale. So I can't follow any argument that suggests that if you have previously been vaccinated against flu, malaria, tetanus, or whatever, then this is no different.

It IS different. To call it a 'vaccine' is a misnomer and a little misleading for the general population because it gives the impression it is the same, and it is NOT.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, however as I see it there should be a rule…..no vaccine no ventilator…..easy.

What is different about it?