Liz Truss replaces Lord Frost as chief negotiator with the EU

22:46Yammy

Whitewavemark2

She is like Johnson. A chameleon.

Changes her colours to suit her career.

The trouble is when they do that you simply don’t know what they believe in - except themselves.

Onward and upwards never mind who's toes are in the way. Pity really I would like to see another woman P.M. maybe one from the Labour ranks.

Who Scumgate Labour Deputy Angela Rayner who left school with no qualifications ?

Educational qualifications are not the only measure of intelligence and they are certainly no indication of a person's ability to succeed in life, their ability to empathise or to achieve great things for society.

Give me an honest person with integrity over a liar with a 2:1 in PPE any day.

GillT57

That would be the same Liz Truss that said "I am backing Remain as I believe it is in Britain's economic interests" ? Sometimes trying to understand Johnson's motives is like being inside someone's head after they have had a bad hallucinogenic trip.

So?
The fact that she voted to remain in the EU doesn’t mean she cannot negotiate with the EU.Johnson himself was on the fence about it for ages as was Jeremy Corbyn.
She may be a better choice than Frost.

dragonfly46

oldbat I would have thought it was obvious that you have to be fairly intelligent to go to Oxford!

I think that you should be saying that she is better educated than most of us. There are probably hundreds of thousands of us who are equally as intelligent as Liz Truss but did not have the opportunity or the desire to go to uni.

Having watched last weeks series of Christmas Uni Chall I've been surprised at how little some of the contestants know.

Liz Truss is popular with the Tory grassroots. I like her, I think she will be a good negotiator if Boris doesn't clip her wings. I think the real reason Frost resigned was because Boris wouldn't let him trigger Article 16.

There is no point talking to anyone who does not want an agreement. The EU is malign and determined to damage our interests. It suits their narrative to see Brexit fail after all. Tell them that if they want to talk they know the number to call, but in the mean time scrap the deal - all of it. And go WTO.

Urmstongran

There is no point talking to anyone who does not want an agreement. The EU is malign and determined to damage our interests. It suits their narrative to see Brexit fail after all. Tell them that if they want to talk they know the number to call, but in the mean time scrap the deal - all of it. And go WTO.

This is playground politics. Fortunately, there are still some adults around.

No. Just pragmatic assessment. The EU will want to give Liz Truss the runaround now Frost has gone. I hope she confers with Frost’s team to see where they were up to and what the plan is for some continuity.

Brexit has already damaged the U.K. twice as much as the pandemic - going to WTO means handing over our sovereignty to another unelected body who make up rules we have to follow. It would put us in banana republic land, mean loads more bureaucracy and further ruin British businesses, agriculture and livelihoods. Still as long as it’s Brexit it’s ok .

Seriously? Is this true?

We must stop hurting ourselves. The EU keep throw stones at us, they keep adding paperwork and regulation, and HMG meekly absorb the blows and carry on. We often make it easy for the EU to enter our economy, either in the Ports or in the City, while they pile on the restrictions. We should mirror what they do. If they complicate the import paperwork, we should mirror them and not ease them as we do now.

If A16 causes the erection of tariffs, it will hurt both sides, and in total the EU will be hurt most.

We need to get real and pull the trigger, and not keep taking the sucker punches. I hope in Liz Truss we have found someone who is not the punch bag hanging down as an easy target. We want someone who will fight back.

Urmstongran

We must stop hurting ourselves. The EU keep throw stones at us, they keep adding paperwork and regulation, and HMG meekly absorb the blows and carry on. We often make it easy for the EU to enter our economy, either in the Ports or in the City, while they pile on the restrictions. We should mirror what they do. If they complicate the import paperwork, we should mirror them and not ease them as we do now.

If A16 causes the erection of tariffs, it will hurt both sides, and in total the EU will be hurt most.

We need to get real and pull the trigger, and not keep taking the sucker punches. I hope in Liz Truss we have found someone who is not the punch bag hanging down as an easy target. We want someone who will fight back.

Do you not think that the govt are currently making things a bit easy for EU goods to enter the UK so that the supermarket shelves are not lacking in the goods that we normally expect over the Christmas period?

If A16 causes the erection of tariffs, it will hurt both sides, and in total the EU will be hurt most.

What on earth gives you that impression, Ug?

The EU have already moved on, made new trade deals and made up from any trade lost from Brexit. Not only that, they have gained from businesses moving their HQs from the UK to the EU. They never did need us more than we need them.

And what Dinahmo says...

The EU exports more to the UK than we do to them. Ergo they will pay more in tariffs?

Rishi Sunsk was briefing in favour of a softer approach towards the EU over NI.

This helped undermine Lord Frost who then resigned. This in turn has destabilised the PM further. Who might benefit if BoJo goes?

Hmmm. ??

''scrap the deal - all of it. And go WTO.''

do you actually understand what that means? Really?

The UK is 27 countries- the UK just the one (sort of ...) so not surprising re imports and exports quantity?!?

... Boris Johnson has been de-frosted.

And now he'll be trussed.

I heard Frost resigned over the planned Covid restrictions... does anyone know it that's true?

Just an excuse, any excuse. He know he has failed miserably and is getting in deeper and deeper...

I disagree Kali2 if he was so rubbish why are the EU delighted they no longer have to negotiate with him? They must think they’re going to be dealing with Appeaser May Mk2.

Dickens

... Boris Johnson has been de-frosted.

And now he'll be trussed.

I heard Frost resigned over the planned Covid restrictions... does anyone know it that's true?

That was the ostensible reason apparently.

But possibly not the true one.

Urmstongran

The EU exports more to the UK than we do to them. Ergo they will pay more in tariffs?

The 'EU' consists of 27 countries, Ug. Of course they'll export more in total to the UK than the UK does to them, but each country's individual exports will be less than our total.

They aren't actually paying anything in tariffs to the UK. It's the importer who pays the tariff, not the exporter.

In actual fact, according to the TCA goods are imported from and exported to the EU tariff free.

From the TCA:

You can continue to import and export goods tariff and quota free, provided that those goods meet the ‘Rules of Origin’ requirements set out in the agreement.

Where do you get your dodgy information from?

My head. and What I read in the round I suppose.

Urmstongran

No. Just pragmatic assessment. The EU will want to give Liz Truss the runaround now Frost has gone. I hope she confers with Frost’s team to see where they were up to and what the plan is for some continuity.

Well you’d hope so??