Johnson today and PMQs! ⁉️

Thank you Gill yes, it was an awful time.
Unfortunately conspiracy theorists, although being around for a long time, seem to have multiplied thanks to the Internet and how they can now spread wild fancies.We owe it to our own good sense not to be taken in by them.

Thanks Jennifer yes, the relief was enormous.

FannyCornforth

Hello Urms I hope that wasn’t directed at me, but no, I wouldn’t like my stays in hospital discussed (mind you, I’ve mentioned DH’s often enough).
I was just intrigued about what others were hinting at.
I’m still intrigued to be honest

No it wasn’t Fanny sorry if it came across that way.

lemongrove

Not long before Johnson was in the ICU and very ill, my DH was too( different hospital) and I can assure you that nobody in there is sitting up looking at a laptop! Have all these conspiracy theorists ever been in an ICU?
My DH was certainly well enough to pop out into the garden a month later for a drink...it’s not running a marathon after all.
He wasn’t fully recovered for quite a while but is 20 years older than Johnson in any case.

Ditto with my DH, lemongrove, but not with Covid.
I took his phone in but he couldn't use it, obviously. Even when they took him off the ventilator he could barely use it for quite some time.

I read on another thread about packing a bag ready for hospital in case of Covid that someone suggested packing knitting or embroidery and books and snorted in disbelief.

If you're well enough to sit up and do knitting or embroidery you're well enough to go home.

I was only repeating things I had read on Twitter, remarking on his miraculous recovery, so marvellous that we now know he was able to pop out into the garden for a drink within a month or so of being gravely ill

And I posted about someone I know who worked in the ICU at St Thomas's and the fact that, whilst medical staff do not discuss their patients, they are not generally liars.

lemongrove (((hugs)))

I agree with you that the internet is responsible for wild conspiracy theories on all kinds of topics.

To accuse NHS staff of untruthfulness regarding the PM and his Covid experience leaves me lost for words.

lemongrove and Cali what a traumatic time you both had with your husbands in ICU. I’m pleased to hear they got better and came out of hospital. As Boris did.

There are so many Boris haters on here they willingly subscribe to any conspiracy theories about his time in hospital.

I mentioned up thread he looked very poorly on the steps of No 10 the night he was admitted. He looked rough. Some posters gleefully posted that alcoholics look similar.

Others want to pin those ICU nurses to ‘reveal all’ as they don’t believe he was ill.

Haters are gonna hate it seems.

But both nurses have now left the NHS here and one of them has said she left because of the lack of respect given to NHS staff. Make if that what you will.

MayBee70

But both nurses have now left the NHS here and one of them has said she left because of the lack of respect given to NHS staff. Make if that what you will.

Maybe they have returned home, I think I read somewhere that they were from Australia/New Zealand?

Make if that what you will

Some patients can be shockingly abusive towards the staff, I heard some when I was allowed to visit DH a couple of times. It makes you want to weep.

Many nurses and doctors leave the NHS Maybee so I don’t make anything of it, they leave for all sorts of reasons, more money elsewhere, better lifestyle and since Covid struck I think a lot of nurses, particularly in ICU’s feel they can’t take any more death.

She gave an interview saying it was lack of respect that made her leave.

GrannyGravy13

MayBee70

But both nurses have now left the NHS here and one of them has said she left because of the lack of respect given to NHS staff. Make if that what you will.

Maybe they have returned home, I think I read somewhere that they were from Australia/New Zealand?

One was from New Zealand, the other from South America.

Calistemon

^Make if that what you will^

Some patients can be shockingly abusive towards the staff, I heard some when I was allowed to visit DH a couple of times. It makes you want to weep.

Yes, that too,
I was just grateful, as am sure you were too for all they were doing, but I did hear that there are often confrontations.

I do agree with Urmstongran et al on this. It’s one of the most stupid conspiracy theories I’ve heard. It is frankly ridiculous to suggest that Boris’ condition was faked in some way when he got Covid. He would not have been admitted to ITU unless he was in need of intensive monitoring. That doesn’t mean artificial respiration for every patient. To suggest that NHS staff would pretend that he was more seriously ill than he was is insulting their integrity. For goodness sake, devote your energies to condemning him for the things he has done wrong, not this.

I was called in, lemongrove, and could hear the man in the next cubicle who I'm sure deliberately knocked things on to the floor, food he didnt like, his water jug etc and was swearing and cussing the nurses who were endlessly patient with him.

To suggest that NHS staff would pretend that he was more seriously ill than he was is insulting their integrity. For goodness sake, devote your energies to condemning him for the things he has done wrong, not this.

Yes, absolutely.

I was angry at the time about the medical staff at St Thomas's being thought of as liars on this forum and it is wrong to start stirring this up again.

There's enough to get annoyed about without insulting the NHS staff.

FannyCornforth

Riverwalk

The Met Police will need to investigate themselves also - they provide 24/7 security at Downing Street- they must have seen what was going on, regular gatherings in the gardens with wine, can't all have been business lunches.

Meanwhile they were watching people with drones, questioning small groups in parks, and moving people on when sitting on a bench.

I remember two young women in Derbyshire being arrested for going for a walk together while drinking take away coffee.
I can’t remember which rule they were supposed to have broken.
I think it might have been travelling too far from home.

I don’t know if it was the same incident, but I seem to remember that rather than social distancing being the issue, it was centred around the drinking of the coffee while they were walking. They were fined and it sparked a debate about why it wasn’t illegal to sell take away coffee if it was illegal to drink it !!

Urmstongran

lemongrove and Cali what a traumatic time you both had with your husbands in ICU. I’m pleased to hear they got better and came out of hospital. As Boris did.

There are so many Boris haters on here they willingly subscribe to any conspiracy theories about his time in hospital.

I mentioned up thread he looked very poorly on the steps of No 10 the night he was admitted. He looked rough. Some posters gleefully posted that alcoholics look similar.

Others want to pin those ICU nurses to ‘reveal all’ as they don’t believe he was ill.

Haters are gonna hate it seems.

Thanks Urmstongran, he's progressing, I hope!

Thank you Calistemon for clarifying the nurses homelands.

GrannyGravy13

lemongrove (((hugs)))

I agree with you that the internet is responsible for wild conspiracy theories on all kinds of topics.

To accuse NHS staff of untruthfulness regarding the PM and his Covid experience leaves me lost for words.

I don't think anyone had accused the NHS of untruthfulness so please don't twist things. Johnson is the liar here and I for one, have a huge problem believing anything he says. His fault, not mine

Having doctors and nurses in my family I am annoyed on their behalf that people think they would conspire in this way. They barely have time to eat and drink let alone plot.
I know one of the nurses from New Zealand felt insulted by the way the Tories treated the NHS staff and went home.
It seems some want to demean the NHS when the only fault here lies with Boris Johnson.

GillT57 you are having problems believing Mr.Johnson was ill in ITU with Covid, but NHS staff who nursed him were interviewed on prime time news programs do you believe them?

I’m not demeaning the NHS. I seem to be permanently furious that a government that has underfunded the NHS for years constantly uses the NHS for propaganda purposes.

GrannyGravy13

GillT57 you are having problems believing Mr.Johnson was ill in ITU with Covid, but NHS staff who nursed him were interviewed on prime time news programs do you believe them?

???

Of course I believe NHS staff, what a silly thing to say. I was talking about what I read on Twitter and saying that due to his habitual lies, many people,myself included, have problems believing anything Johnson says. Please desist from twisting what I said and turning it into an anti NHS post, nothing could be further from what I said or believe.