Prince Andrew stripped of his HRH

We do have a Monarch and her immediate family working royals now.

Josieann

I'm not sure Anniebach, there is just something in George's demeanour that occasionally troubles me, whereas his sister is more than capable of doing the job already!! I hope he/she will be allowed to be their own person, monarch or not. Who knows?

There is something of 'The Queen' about Charlotte - she looks so sensible!

Anniebach

William did not change the line of succession.

Josiesnn George may be a sensitive little boy like his paternal
Grandfather, if he is like Charles he will be a good king.

Thank you Anniebach for that reminder. Sensitivity is a good thing.

Andrew’s still owns four other titles which were not removed. Why? He’s still a Knight of the Garter for goodness sake. It’s just being discussed on the Jeremy Vine show now.

On a different tack, when Andrew and Fergie bought the swiss chalet it was reported they bought it together, I hope she will now be looking for a share back, particularly as they are no longer married. Why should she fund his court case?

I hope the whole system is dismantled long before William gets to the throne never mind George .Its a medieval concept not fit for the 21st century as we can clearly see .IF these people had to actually work for a living instead of the shaking hands and smiling...oh and cutting ribbons etc they would no doubt sink out of trace fast.

He has been found guilty on this forum not in a court of law.

Yes, Anniebach, that was what I was trying to say. We are all assuming he is guilty, and he might be, but it has not been proven at all.

The Royal family have taken steps to protect themselves and the monarchy. I think that’s a big hint that they know more than is public knowledge. Huge hint.

Anniebach

He has been found guilty on this forum not in a court of law.

But he is guilty of fraternising with a paedophile and a trafficker, for many years.

His reputation is shot regardless of the outcome of this civil case.

Such a fool particularly after 20 years of military service and with all his advantages in life.

paddyann54

I hope the whole system is dismantled long before William gets to the throne never mind George .Its a medieval concept not fit for the 21st century as we can clearly see .IF these people had to actually work for a living instead of the shaking hands and smiling...oh and cutting ribbons etc they would no doubt sink out of trace fast.

Do you say that about ALL Constitutional Monarchies, or is it the the British one you have a definite bias against.

Just the.

I feel so sorry for the Queen as a mum. We all want to care for our children and it must be hard for her to do this.

I’m not sure but I believe the charge of rape is because she was 17 and underage as far as America is concerned not that he actually forced her although I could be wrong.

Lincslass

paddyann54

I hope the whole system is dismantled long before William gets to the throne never mind George .Its a medieval concept not fit for the 21st century as we can clearly see .IF these people had to actually work for a living instead of the shaking hands and smiling...oh and cutting ribbons etc they would no doubt sink out of trace fast.

Do you say that about ALL Constitutional Monarchies, or is it the the British one you have a definite bias against.

I'm sure paddyann54 will answer for herself, but for me its all constitutional systems that rely on choosing a leader based on who their mum and dad were.

Totally agree with you, Alegrias1. No need for them in this day and age.

henetha I agree with you - what I know of Prince Andrew is from the media. I have absolutely no partiality, but he has yet to be charged with anything, and is currently accused by a woman who has had a similar case she brought against another man thrown out of court, and was not called to give evidence in the Maxwell trial as there were 'glaring innacuracies' in her statement. She may be a victim of Epstein and the American legal system, we just don't know. However, it has been reported that she procured girls for Epstein once she was in his circle, which she now regrets. PA has had no other suggestions of sexual impropriety in his life. He has chosen some very dubious friends and it all looks pretty damming...but we don't know. Whatever happens now he is ruined; the effect on his ninety five year old Mother must be so damaging for a grieving widow.

Why?

Get rid of the lot of them and put the money into the health system and/or education.

Alegrias I have to add here that the RF's ancestors were far better fighters than yours - that's why they are there now, and you are not!

I just watched a little video report on BBC about why the titles are so important to him. It seems to be because he'll no longer be able to parade on his horse in front of mum on her (official) birthday and because being a military man, being able to say that he is colonel of this, that and whatever is considered very important.

Well, tough cheese.

Rosina

Alegrias I have to add here that the RF's ancestors were far better fighters than yours - that's why they are there now, and you are not!

Agreed!

I think I could take on quite a few of them though. I have a low centre of gravity.

nanna8

Get rid of the lot of them and put the money into the health system and/or education.

A Presidential system will cost as much or more.
There would be no extra money for other services from getting rid of the Monarchy. We can easily find extra money for health and education.

If they want to abdicate totally I would support that as it is an enormous burden to inherit.

Rosina

Alegrias I have to add here that the RF's ancestors were far better fighters than yours - that's why they are there now, and you are not!

They must have been excellent, then!

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Prince Andrew is shamed by his friendship with Epstein, but so are Trump, Clinton, Bill Gates and Mandelson, to name a few. Perhaps no photographs of their association exist.

I am sure when this case first broke it was claimed that Andrew had negotiated a loan with Epstein on behalf of his ex-wife because, as a journalist said, money just seem to slip through her fingers. I think he has stood by her more than she stood by him, but we shall see.

Winterwhite You say that "Prince A couldn't retain his military roles, certainly, but he should have been allowed to resign from them himself, not 'be stripped of them', and she could have ensured that this was how it was put."

The statement from Buckingham Palace says :-
^"With the Queen's approval and agreement, the Duke of York's military affiliations and Royal patronages have been returned to the Queen." That doesn't read as "He has been stripped of them" though I can't imagine he was exactly happy to give them up.

Perhaps she has been trying to persuade him to resign from them for months and has only now succeeded? Or maybe didn't succeed - he is an independent grown man who likes the symbols of his importance. Sons don't always meekly do as their mothers tell them to.