Legacy of the fraudulent referendum

It’s not a competition Alegiras.
Every euro spent n whatever part of Spain (posh or common) helps their GDP.

It’s just one benefit Gill57. There will be (and are) more.

Urmstongran

^Can you imagine how some Spanish and other coastal holiday resorts feel? English shops everywhere, English Cafés and restaurants, hardly anyone who speaks Spanish?^

A somewhat biased view there MaizieD as tourism accounts for 12% of GDP on the Costas. Many visitors (like ourselves) go out to enjoy the sunshine and spend our pensions in said cafe bars and restaurants. We don’t want their jobs! We take private health insurance so our health needs are covered!

Loads of Spanish cafe bar owners are bemoaning the loss of tourism. They were looking out for us all last Easter, hoping for golfing parties, holidaymakers and long stay pensionistas.
We are as a group VERY WELCOME.

Sorry to spoil your narrative but don’t let the truth get in your way of a good rant!

It was me, not Maizie.

But you totally missed the point. I was responding on the comments re culture and language, shops, etc, as mentionned re Boston previously.

Urmstongran

It’s just one benefit Gill57. There will be (and are) more.

I can't wait.

Apologies to MaizieD.
Thank you Kali2. I got muddled.

There is 'tourism and tourism' ! And there is a bigt difference between those who travel for 1 week or two, or those who travel like swallows, for a whole season.

I think many Spaniard would love to see more Spanish restaurants, serving good quality local fare, and bars, and tourists being more respectful of the local culture and fare, and try to make a mit more effort with learning the language, etc.

Yet you can bet your EHIC that no visiting EU citizen will be denied health care in the U.K., No insurance or credit cards asked for on your hospital trolley. We should really change tack on this. Good for the goose etc.
You obviously haven't been in an A&E dept lately Lincslass you or your relative are asked for proof of residency if you are not a British national and you have to pay. I would hope that no one would be refused life saving treatment wherever they are from.
And if you have an accident abroad which you claim compensation for and you need treatment on the NHS when you return home they will expect you to pay something towards that treatment and bill you ages afterwards when your compensation comes through. I'm not sure if the same applies for accidents and claims in the UK. The NHS is not the pushover some imagine.

Also, when trying out my (admittedly limited Spanish but decent enough to order food and drink!) often the Spanish bar owners and waiting staff WANT to practice their English! So I order in Spanish & they repeat back in English...
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And why not?

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Kali2

There is 'tourism and tourism' ! And there is a bigt difference between those who travel for 1 week or two, or those who travel like swallows, for a whole season.

I think many Spaniard would love to see more Spanish restaurants, serving good quality local fare, and bars, and tourists being more respectful of the local culture and fare, and try to make a mit more effort with learning the language, etc.

The snobbery on here is very telling - if you substitute Spaniard/Spanish for Welshman/Welsh does the same apply?

All travelers get to choose where they go, what they eat and most hosts are glad for their business!

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We haven't been to see our family in Andalucia for over two years because of Covid, but I would have thought that missing Brits would easily have been replaced by Scandinavians, Germans, French etc. We always enjoy having so many restaurants offering different cuisines, as it is a nice change from rural France. English is widely used because so many northern Europeans speak it. I don't think from my experience of Spanish people (son's in-law and friends) that they are as precious about their language as some countries.
Brexit is undoubtedly a disaster of epic proportions (in my opinion), but not sure Brits in or not in Spain is one of them.

... son's in-laws and friends. Actually son is almost Spanish now, but nationality a very slow process.

Kali2

MaizieD

Culturally, the town has not changed much and what little change there has been is beneficial. But compare that to, for example, Boston in Lincolnshire, where a big percentage of the residents were born outside the UK and where the 'culture' of the place changed, it seems, virtually overnight. Does it matter? Well yes, I think it does. We are all a bit 'tribal' - as are the immigrants themselves - and that sense of 'belonging' to a community matters

It's quite ironic when you think that for some 200 years we (Britain) rampaged around the globe imposing our culture on a great many countries and using their resources to make our country wealthy...

Can you imagine how some Spanish and other coastal holiday resorts feel? English shops everywhere, English Cafés and restaurants, hardly anyone who speaks Spanish? Same in parts of France like Dordogneshire! And many Cities all over Europe and elsewhere, where large expat communities live parrallel lives, their own schools, own Churches and clubs, never learn the local language, or take part in the local community. Anglos-Saxon expats have always been the worst at not learning the local language and just shout louder to anyone who has the gall not to understand them!

Scraping the barrel here. During my career I met many people from around the globe, some of them being in the U.K. for 30 or more years, and no ability to speak English , costing no end of money in translation fees. At least we provide that, don’t think EU countries provide that in a health care setting. Or if they do you have to pay. Yes. Really barrel scraping , travelled a lot overseas, never heard anyone shouting to be understood, a polite do you speak English yes., as I did in the Netherlands.

Urmstongran

It’s not a competition Alegiras.
Every euro spent n whatever part of Spain (posh or common) helps their GDP.

I'm not sure which bit you think is posh and which bit is common, but if it's Jerez that you think is posh I'd recommend a visit to a neighbourhood bar there at 2 in the morning...I can recommend one. Or several, now I come to think of it.

I'm sure they'd love to hear you ordering in Spanish so that they can practice their English.

And you could joyfully learn how to spell my username . Mind you I wrote as "sink", so what do I know...

GrannyGravy13

Blame the folks who could not be bothered to get off of their backsides to vote, not the ones that did!!!!!!

“In every country that has ever held a referendum there are people who don’t vote. In the most progressive (least despotic) ones they consider those people don’t vote because they are happy with the status quo so special majorities or supermajorities are set. We didn’t. We had a referendum based on lies with a simple majority used to change our constitution. It was fraudulent and because of the way those of limited perception see lies as reasonable, people who didn’t vote as “other” and outside interference as acceptable, the arguments will go on.”

Urms, 5 years ago is to far, lets have an uptown date one please.

I think we have to move in from Brexit - it was a coin, we all know that, and once again it was initiated by an attempt to appease restless backbenchers.

And here we are again with a leader doing exactly the same thing in the context of a global pandemic.

Oh for a statesperson who will do the RIGHT thing and follow their conscience rather than prioritising his/her political future.

How about this one Barmeyoldbat? In the Telegraph just now:

“Patients will receive new cancer drugs more quickly following post-Brexit changes to the regulatory oversight of pharmaceuticals.

The change of policy has already slashed approval times by as much as a month. The MHRA, Britain's regulator, has approved seven cancer treatments under the Project Orbis scheme, which it entered into last year after licensing decisions were no longer made by the European Medicines Agency.

Four of the newly approved treatments are for lung cancer and breast cancer. Another three are extensions of existing treatments.

Project Orbis links the UK to the US, Canada, Australia, Switzerland, Singapore and Brazil, harmonising the regulatory process so trial data can be submitted to all the regulators at the same time, where it can be reviewed and treatments approved.“

...con ...

Or this Barmeyoldbat reported in the Telegraph on 27 January:

“London has retained its crown as the world’s top destination for financial and professional services in terms of its overall offering in another boost for the City.

The Square Mile outperformed other major financial hubs, including New York, Singapore and Paris, as firms quickly adapted to Brexit, according to a new report by the City of London Corporation.

The study examined the global business offering of each city, taking into account 95 metrics including those in nascent fields such as green finance activity.

It found that the City had an “unmatched international financial reach”, while it also excelled as a hub for tech and innovation and its share of headquarters of Fortune Global 500 companies rose by a third over the past year.

It also remained Europe’s leading destination for investment in financial services and was the world’s leading foreign exchange trading centre.

The City was given an overall competitiveness score of 61, followed by New York on 58 and Singapore on 53. Paris received a score of just 41.”

I’m away now for lunch with my stepfather. It’s been nice chatting.
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Urmstongran

How about this one Barmeyoldbat? In the Telegraph just now:

“Patients will receive new cancer drugs more quickly following post-Brexit changes to the regulatory oversight of pharmaceuticals.

The change of policy has already slashed approval times by as much as a month. The MHRA, Britain's regulator, has approved seven cancer treatments under the Project Orbis scheme, which it entered into last year after licensing decisions were no longer made by the European Medicines Agency.

Four of the newly approved treatments are for lung cancer and breast cancer. Another three are extensions of existing treatments.

Project Orbis links the UK to the US, Canada, Australia, Switzerland, Singapore and Brazil, harmonising the regulatory process so trial data can be submitted to all the regulators at the same time, where it can be reviewed and treatments approved.“

However, the two new schemes, while likely to expand significantly, are still relatively limited in range and coverage – and from the UK’s perspective, they could not be seen as an equivalent replacement in scale at this stage for its former direct involvement in EMA mutual recognition and centralized review procedures.

Mm hmm. Con indeed

www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/pricing-and-market-access/uks-first-drug-approval-via-project-orbis-html/

Urmstongran

Or this Barmeyoldbat reported in the Telegraph on 27 January:

“London has retained its crown as the world’s top destination for financial and professional services in terms of its overall offering in another boost for the City.

The Square Mile outperformed other major financial hubs, including New York, Singapore and Paris, as firms quickly adapted to Brexit, according to a new report by the City of London Corporation.

The study examined the global business offering of each city, taking into account 95 metrics including those in nascent fields such as green finance activity.

It found that the City had an “unmatched international financial reach”, while it also excelled as a hub for tech and innovation and its share of headquarters of Fortune Global 500 companies rose by a third over the past year.

It also remained Europe’s leading destination for investment in financial services and was the world’s leading foreign exchange trading centre.

The City was given an overall competitiveness score of 61, followed by New York on 58 and Singapore on 53. Paris received a score of just 41.”

Oh good.

Things haven't got appreciably worse then.

It was all worth it.

Pantglas2

Kali2

There is 'tourism and tourism' ! And there is a bigt difference between those who travel for 1 week or two, or those who travel like swallows, for a whole season.

I think many Spaniard would love to see more Spanish restaurants, serving good quality local fare, and bars, and tourists being more respectful of the local culture and fare, and try to make a mit more effort with learning the language, etc.

The snobbery on here is very telling - if you substitute Spaniard/Spanish for Welshman/Welsh does the same apply?

All travelers get to choose where they go, what they eat and most hosts are glad for their business!

Call it sneery, if you wish. Mind you, this kind of tourism is not only for the Costas- we have 'the other kind' here- hordes of very rich, very snobby, haughty, loud British tourists in resorts like Verbier, Gstaad, or St Moritz. Full of cash and so disrespectful towards locals and staff from all over the world.

Yes, their cash is appreciated and welcomed- but not the above!

The Portuguese and East Europeans staff in those resorts hate them, but keep stumm. Mind you, not quite as much as the Russians.