Gender? Sex? Help me out please.

GrannyGravy13

I would like to know what trisher and Gagajo think of the folks that enjoy her books?

Do you look down on folks who deviate from so called literary giants ?

I think they're readers. ? As are the people that read Tolstoy or Jackie Collins.

Chip meet shoulder.

Janejudge with you on common sense lol

Granygravy she is writing as a man because he feels more people will buy and read her books that way.

J K Rowling

Violetsky
I doubt that that is the reason. It might have been 150 years ago when George Elliott (Mary Anne Evans) wrote her books as there was such prejudice against women becoming authors then.

Perhaps it might be that she wanted a pseudonym which was quite different from her own name as the genre was completely different?
I haven't read any of her books apart from The Casual Vacancy btw.

The bile and threats she has received are totally out of order; she is entitled to express her views and the reactions prove what kind of people they are who make these vile threats.

I think it is concerning that staff are not given proper training in hospitals on how to deal with patients but I don't think that is the fault of transpeople. `My mum spent some time in a large ward for geriatric patients where the bays were for different sexes. The skill the staff showed in dealing with patients who had alzheimers and who wandered was incredible. They were followed, talked to and gently manoeuvred back to where they belonged. Surely staff in mental hospitals should have similar skills. Perhaps it is the result of cutting health services to the bone. So effectively those who won't vote Labour because of the woman issue will be voting for more cuts, less staff, less training and more incidents, because there will always be people who are difficult and who behave inappropriately. It isn't really a trans issue.

Callistemon21

^Granygravy she is writing as a man because he feels more people will buy and read her books that way.^

J K Rowling

Violetsky
I doubt that that is the reason. It might have been 150 years ago when George Elliott (Mary Anne Evans) wrote her books as there was such prejudice against women becoming authors then.

Perhaps it might be that she wanted a pseudonym which was quite different from her own name as the genre was completely different?
I haven't read any of her books apart from The Casual Vacancy btw.

The bile and threats she has received are totally out of order; she is entitled to express her views and the reactions prove what kind of people they are who make these vile threats.

I think the reason she published as JK Rowling was because the publisher thought boys wouldn't read a book written by a woman.

I think it's the cover story created for the psuodonym that make me uncomfortable, that is dressing up in another form

She also did the same with Harry Potter on advice from her publishers so it's not a new thing. Given that, being told to not advertise herself as a woman so it wouldn't put boys off reading her books was so antifeminist in the past I am surprised she would do it again.

She also did not mean for this information to come out.

I think the threats are disgusting and would never affiliate myself with anyone willing to do that

First off I did meet a chap who was transitioning and driving a mini bus for the local care home (We were both held up while the local knacker pulled a dead horse out of a field, but that's another story) The elderly ladies in the minibus seemed very happy with him. I read about the problems he was having with abuse from some people in the local paper but I don't think continuing to grow a beard while wearing full make up may not have been helpful.

I love the Harry Potter books and the Strike books. I think JK is a brilliant story teller who creates believable characters and page turner plots. My daughter loved the Worst Witch books and we read them all but witches are all they have in common with Harry Potter. She's been accused of stealing stories from Tolkien but his stories were hardly original, he took them from existing mythologies.

Given that, being told to not advertise herself as a woman so it wouldn't put boys off reading her books was so antifeminist in the past I am surprised she would do it again.

Well, I've never heard the like except in history and that is not wholly the true reason.
Although her agent suggested it might be better not to use her full name (is he a dinosaur?) it was mainly because she was concerned about her abusive ex-husband realising who she was as she had had to take out a restraining order against him.

That's odd Callistimon because she has said she disguised her gender and why in several interviews.

Also her married name was... Murray I think?

she could have changed her name without changing her gender so that's not logical as a reason, sad as it is

Also her married name was... Murray I think?

That doesn't sound Portuguese to me.

It's obvious you despise her because she says what she believes so anything she says or does will be suspect as far as you are concerned.

trisher

I think it is concerning that staff are not given proper training in hospitals on how to deal with patients but I don't think that is the fault of transpeople.
Who on here has said lack of training was the fault of transpeople?
The fault belongs to the people who insist that a man displaying blatantly as a male in a place with vulnerable women cannot be moved because he says he is a woman.
And many of those saying that self ID is OK without qualification, are not trans unless there’s something trisher isn’t telling us.

Let’s blame the politicians who are afraid to admit the biological truth for fear of attack.
Let’s blame the shortage of funds in the NHS for lack of training
But we mustn’t blame those who support the transwomen using their claims to cheat in sport and jobs, and gain access to womens safe spaces.
Those tw and their supporters including some on GN who by their actions do more damage to the cause of transwomen than anyone else but who refuse to admit it.

Callistemon21

^Also her married name was... Murray I think?^

That doesn't sound Portuguese to me.

It's obvious you despise her because she says what she believes so anything she says or does will be suspect as far as you are concerned.

No that's not true, I don't despise anyone. I just don't like her very much and even then I've never told her that and I doubt she would care anyway so no harm done

Difficult, though, if you had escaped from an abusive husband and had a restraining order against him you might well not want to keep his (Portuguese) name or draw particular to yourself. Particularly if you thought you could manage to earn a crust for you and your daughter by writing and selling a few children's books.
Who knew?

Callistemon21

Difficult, though, if you had escaped from an abusive husband and had a restraining order against him you might well not want to keep his (Portuguese) name or draw particular to yourself. Particularly if you thought you could manage to earn a crust for you and your daughter by writing and selling a few children's books.
Who knew?

I don't deny that, there is no argument here. Times were different back then. I simply question her choice of using a male pseudonym now given that she regrets that in the past. Especially as her gender came out very quickly anyway so her publisher was wrong

so her publisher was wrong
I think so too, a dinosaur as I said.
However, she didn't know then and could only take advice.

The other thing is, she had written a book of a different genre under a pseudonym so that it wouldn't be compared with the HP books and it would be odd now to change the name partway through.

None of this is relevant to volver's question; but my understanding was that JKR decided to publish the Strike books as Robert Galbraith as she wanted to see if she could succeed as a detective writer without the halo effect of her success with Harry Potter.

I'm not sure how that was going to work, as it very soon became common knowledge that it was her pen name, but I don't think it matters. Several authors write under more than one name, and it is ironic that it is those who are most vociferous about sex and gender being changeable who are objecting to her choosing a male name.

As for carers, doctors or anyone else being male, of course that is fine. If a woman would prefer to be treated or cared for by a female, she can ask, and male staff carrying out intimate exams usually have a chaperone. It is when a man says that he is a woman that it could pose a problem. Does anyone know whether in that case there is a requirement for a chaperone to be present when a female patient is being intimately examined?

Her married name was Arantes. Her daughter uses it. Her ex husnband apparently has drug problems.

None of this is relevant to volver's question

Apologies volver
Meandering off down byways

Her ex husnband apparently has drug problems
And?

Thanks trisher I don't have a giid memory for names, not sure where that one came from

doodledog that's kind of the reverse

I'm not sure why jk Rowling would change her sex to write given her views and her dislike of being forced to do that in the past.

What I think of doing that is irrelevant because I'm not using my platform to influence the general public on this issue.

So I would expect her to follow her own rules now or otherwise it just makes me dislike her.

I can actually admire people who take a stand for their beliefs even if I don't agree with when... When they do so honestly and compassionately

Otherwise I don't think very much of them

Mollygo

trisher

I think it is concerning that staff are not given proper training in hospitals on how to deal with patients but I don't think that is the fault of transpeople.
Who on here has said lack of training was the fault of transpeople?
The fault belongs to the people who insist that a man displaying blatantly as a male in a place with vulnerable women cannot be moved because he says he is a woman.
And many of those saying that self ID is OK without qualification, are not trans unless there’s something trisher isn’t telling us.

Let’s blame the politicians who are afraid to admit the biological truth for fear of attack.
Let’s blame the shortage of funds in the NHS for lack of training
But we mustn’t blame those who support the transwomen using their claims to cheat in sport and jobs, and gain access to womens safe spaces.
Those tw and their supporters including some on GN who by their actions do more damage to the cause of transwomen than anyone else but who refuse to admit it.

I wish I knew who these people are. I've never met any. If staff don't have knowledge of the law or the ability to succesfullly move someone who is being difficult, whose fault is that?
No-one I have seen on any thread has said that transwomen should be in sports or in any space where women do not want them.
This seems to be a perpetual theme on these threads.. That individual instances that are undoubtedly upsetting are somehow representative of the whole situation, but with little or no evidence to support the idea.
The other itheme is blaming anyone who tries to present a caring and logical approach to the problem and making wild accusations about what they have actually said. It's actually rather sad and it doesn't make for good discussion.
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*So I would expect her to follow her own rules now or otherwise it just makes me dislike her.

I can actually admire people who take a stand for their beliefs even if I don't agree with when... When they do so honestly and compassionately*

What are her own rules, though? I don't get it.

Similarly, if they are different, what beliefs do you mean? If you are talking about trans issues, she was never pretending to be trans - she was simply using a different name to differentiate one set of books from another - it's not the same thing at all.

I've explained several times why I don't agree and don't think it's a good use of my time to go over it again

I dont know anyone who has transitioned from male to female but I know 3 young people who were born and raised as girls who are now boys.
Young men.. though none have reached the surgery stage so I imagine if they use mens toilets they would have to use the cubicle
.I've never heard any complaints about trans men in mens spaces ...but then Ive never heard personal complaints about trans women either .
Nor have I heard anyone online or in the press saying there were problems with trans men in womans spaces.
I think its an urban myth that has taken root and is used to attack the trans community
.Live and let live and understand that life has always changed ,mainly with opposition.We're all old enough to remember gay bashing ,outrage at same sex marriages etc.This too will pass in time ,its mainly older generations who close their minds to change .In a few yar ,supposing we're still here it will be normal