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tickingbird Thu 17-Mar-22 12:51:56

I have just watched a woman being interviewed and she became quite upset as she attended a stop violence against women demo in Manchester and they were attacked by trans activists.

She explained that this was organised to follow International Woman’s Day and was about stopping violence against all women and girls. They had paint thrown on them and various other attacks. This poor lady was bewildered and upset, understandably, that trans activists could behave this way. I don’t understand it either and it does seem to me that some of these militant trans activists aren’t trans at all; they just hate women. It’s about time we all said enough!

GrannyGravy13 Thu 17-Mar-22 17:47:14

I missed the last round of deletions
Are women on GN now being silenced?
Are we not able to voice valid concerns?

Iam64 Thu 17-Mar-22 17:49:04

GrannyGravy13, it certainly feels as though women on gransnet are being silenced.

Chewbacca Thu 17-Mar-22 17:49:29

That would be a "no" GG13

Galaxy Thu 17-Mar-22 17:49:43

I think you are really articulate about your concerns and experiences Jane.
You know I value your views after all I only blocked you the once gringrin

trisher Thu 17-Mar-22 17:52:22

I hesitated to come onto this thread because I know my very presence tends to cause offence. All violence is dreadful and all violence should be rejected totally.
For anyone looking for a brighter note. The annual IWD march took place in Manchester for the first time for two years. Women marched to the Cathedral chanting and holding banners. www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyIRTq4vWk

Robin49 Thu 17-Mar-22 17:54:23

trisher

I hesitated to come onto this thread because I know my very presence tends to cause offence. All violence is dreadful and all violence should be rejected totally.
For anyone looking for a brighter note. The annual IWD march took place in Manchester for the first time for two years. Women marched to the Cathedral chanting and holding banners. www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyIRTq4vWk

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JaneJudge Thu 17-Mar-22 17:57:18

Galaxy

I think you are really articulate about your concerns and experiences Jane.
You know I value your views after all I only blocked you the once gringrin

yeah but you'd invited me for the weekend and I had driven such a long way

Galaxy Thu 17-Mar-22 17:59:00

grin

tickingbird Thu 17-Mar-22 18:05:44

Wow. I’ve just returned to the thread after the OP. What’s been going on? On second thoughts perhaps better not say anything or the thread will be closed down. I have a good idea though.

Smileless2012 Thu 17-Mar-22 18:14:13

Your comments and observations are perfectly valid JaneJudge, and I think that when any sensible poster feels the need to state that they are not trans phobic, when it's obvious that they're not, that demonstrates how ridiculous the whole thing has become.

As has been said, if trans women are concerned about violence against women and they consider themselves to be women, then why on earth do some of them try to silence women on a march about this very subject, by using violence and intimidation?

It makes no sense.

Mollygo Thu 17-Mar-22 18:14:32

tickingbird

I have just watched a woman being interviewed and she became quite upset as she attended a stop violence against women demo in Manchester and they were attacked by trans activists.

She explained that this was organised to follow International Woman’s Day and was about stopping violence against all women and girls. They had paint thrown on them and various other attacks. This poor lady was bewildered and upset, understandably, that trans activists could behave this way. I don’t understand it either and it does seem to me that some of these militant trans activists aren’t trans at all; they just hate women. It’s about time we all said enough!

It’s difficult, tickingbird. Well known women who stand up and say enough are cancelled, reviled, attacked, called transphobic and bigots. Less famous women are called bigots and transphobes.
These women were marching in protest against the violence perpetrated against women and girls. I can’t find anything that says they were protesting against violence perpetrated by transwomen.
I don’t know why a man who I believe (but didn’t see) was wearing a dress in a group with others attacking marchers or why trans activists shouting ‘transwomen are women’, were there at all.

Would now be a good time for all transwomen whose existence is being harmed by these activities to make a stand alongside women against the men and ill-intentioned transwomen.
I’ve been told on GN that there are thousands of transwomen and that only a minority are ill-intentioned.
Surely if all transwomen stood up against those who are harming their image instead of leaving it to women and girls it would be a huge move forward in their acceptance and would benefit the women they aspire to be.

Smileless2012 Thu 17-Mar-22 18:15:52

That's an excellent point Molllgo, well said.

trisher Thu 17-Mar-22 18:16:19

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyIRTq4vWkw
Sorry try this one

Iam64 Thu 17-Mar-22 18:21:30

Everything I’ve read confirms the trans community doesn’t support the actions of these activists.
That’s a good point Mollygo, the trans community could stand against the activists.
I’ve mentioned before, 3 friends who attended a feminist conference were subjected to abuse, including threats to ‘rape you to death’
Male violence at its worst is

Mollygo Thu 17-Mar-22 18:21:35

Smileless2012

That's an excellent point Molllgo, well said.

Thank you Smileless. I’m nervous about posting anything at the moment. But I’m sure my post wasn’t a derailment or a deviation so it should be OK.

Smileless2012 Thu 17-Mar-22 18:24:13

No it was nothing of the sort Mollygo and is spot on. The best thing the trans community can do is to voice their dismay and disgust at the behaviour of these so called trans activists.

We need sensible posts in relation to this topic, so don't be put offsmile.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 17-Mar-22 18:25:25

Mollygo really good points in your post.

Doodledog Thu 17-Mar-22 18:36:04

I am also reluctant to post, but want to add my agreement, Molly.

grannydarkhair Thu 17-Mar-22 18:47:51

Trisher that’s a nice wee video of people obviously enjoying themselves. Such a contrast to the march that this thread is about and in the same city. Perhaps the presence of so many men scared the trans activists away?

Smileless2012 Thu 17-Mar-22 18:53:25

Oh no Doodledog don't be reluctant to post. Your posts are some of the best on this topic.

trisher Thu 17-Mar-22 18:55:34

grannydarkhair

Trisher that’s a nice wee video of people obviously enjoying themselves. Such a contrast to the march that this thread is about and in the same city. Perhaps the presence of so many men scared the trans activists away?

I don't know why grannydarkhair I was just so pleased to see that an IWD march had gone ahead this year.

Dickens Thu 17-Mar-22 19:07:36

I've just been looking at the actions of some of the more volatile trans women activists, in Scotland and the wider world - ignoring the more salacious stories.

This is a completely new world to me because although I have a trans woman friend, our friendship is based purely on shared interests about which we are both passionate, and strange as it might seem, we have never discussed transgenderism. She never raises the issue, so neither do I. That's the level - nil - of my knowledge.

But what I have read is shocking to the core - the calls for feminists to be "throat-punched", and worse. I'm not going to elaborate because it's easy to get carried away and present a mis-leading picture of trans women. But these activists really do take the biscuit.

The point I would like to make is that from what I can gather, they are often well-known, making regular appearances at women's events, and are also very vocal on certain social media, and I am thinking that they are, in fact, a minority, but a minority with a very big 'presence'.

I hope I am right, and this is true, and that these particular 'activists' are not at all representative of the majority of trans women. Who, surely, must abhor the violence and sheer thuggery of these activists, and be worried that they are going to be viewed in the light of their utter madness.

The second point - and again, I admit my lack of knowledge here is - are these volatile and violent activists in fact really trans women in the now accepted sense of the word, or are they a 'subset' of male misogynists who have adopted this role as a way to attack women? They insist they "are women too" and dress as women, etc, but their violent behaviour is, very generally speaking, quite the opposite of that of the average, ordinary woman. I have read of them joking about gagging feminists with their penises - so when I read things like that, I cannot help but wonder if they really do identify as women. Because that, to me, sounds very much like misogynistic male behaviour.

Excuse my ignorance - I'm willing to be educated about a world of which I've not had experience - didn't know existed - apart from my above-mentioned friend. Her only reference to her own transgenderism was a simple announcement to close friends that, after many years thought and struggles, she had decided to identify as a woman and would we please call her by her new name "xxx" which she chose because it had always had an appeal. So I knew her before she transitioned (though I don't know the extent of the process) and 'she' is exactly the same person as when she was a 'he' - kind, generous, sweet-natured and totally absorbed in the hobbies / interests we both share. And it was an easy 'transition' for me to accept him as her - basically, because nothing changed much.

Are these activists really of the same group?

Iam64 Thu 17-Mar-22 19:21:18

The activists are as you suggest Dickens, not representative of the wider trans communities.
The activists target feminist conferences and marches.
Feminists who express concerns about self ID and women only spaces are subject to abuse. My friends who were subject to death threats, including the threat to rape you to death had to leave social media for their own safety

Callistemon21 Thu 17-Mar-22 19:24:51

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Callistemon21 Thu 17-Mar-22 19:28:02

Not one post but Posts!!

Michael, might I suggest you look more closely at why sensible, reasonable posters are getting riled enough to have their posts deleted?